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| Quote: Dally "It’s a fuss about nothing, created by an ‘outraged’ minority supported by their media chums. As I understand it, the lad did nothing illegal and his most ‘heinous’ crime seems to have been quoting a passage from the Bible. If Catalans were forced to sack him due to ‘legal action’ there is every chance that a counter action would bankrupt the game as a whole - as the Australian RU learned the hard way. These clubs need to concentrate on getting their own houses in order rather than reverting to RL-type of bickering with others. That’s what has always held this game back - in-fighting by petty individuals.'"
You are talking nonsense.
RL has always been a fully inclusive sport and has for most of it's 100+ years been very proud of this.
IF's fundamentalist views certainly fly in the face of the inclusivity of the sport and whilst EVERYONE is entitled to their viewpoint, not necessarily should they be allowed to make those views quite so public.
As for clubs getting their own houses in order. Yes, they damn well should. Do you think that his signing for Catalan is helping the Dragons get their house in order or maybe, making life more difficult for them ?
Just for reference, using just one of the bible's quotes, "an eye for an eye" you can justify EVERY act on the planet and this is instantly contradicted by "thou shalt not kill". Utter hypocrisy from the "big book" and leaving a cloak for certain individuals to hide behind.
Maybe the church should get it's own house in order before persuading others how to think / act
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "You are talking nonsense.
RL has always been a fully inclusive sport and has for most of it's 100+ years been very proud of this.
IF's fundamentalist views certainly fly in the face of the inclusivity of the sport and whilst EVERYONE is entitled to their viewpoint, not necessarily should they be allowed to make those views quite so public.
As for clubs getting their own houses in order. Yes, they damn well should. Do you think that his signing for Catalan is helping the Dragons get their house in order or maybe, making life more difficult for them ?
Just for reference, using just one of the bible's quotes, "an eye for an eye" you can justify EVERY act on the planet and this is instantly contradicted by "thou shalt not kill". Utter hypocrisy from the "big book" and leaving a cloak for certain individuals to hide behind.
Maybe the church should get it's own house in order before persuading others how to think / act'"
I get that but nobody has to like him. Would Falou be the only player with certain views? I would say defiantly not its just he was the one that aired them.
I haven't seen a barrage of players all coming out to condemn the signing but that's probably because players themselves have their own issues and to single out Falou just doesn't make sense.
This whole thing needs to be put to bed. As long as Folau keeps his mouth shut and gets on with playing that's all what needs to be reported.
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| So you believe inclusivity includes banning committed Christians? Murphy, Karalius etc were all Roman Catholics, indeed the game and the Church have a strong historical connection. NB there is a distinction between Old and New Testaments.
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| Quote: puroresu_boy "I get that but nobody has to like him. Would Falou be the only player with certain views? I would say defiantly not its just he was the one that aired them.
I haven't seen a barrage of players all coming out to condemn the signing but that's probably because players themselves have their own issues and to single out Falou just doesn't make sense.
This whole thing needs to be put to bed. As long as Folau keeps his mouth shut and gets on with playing that's all what needs to be reported.'"
Exactly.
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| On the question of title sponsor, government has already told football to reduce its reliance on betting company’s for sponsorship, hinting of a change in law coming. So, writing is on the wall there anyway.
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| Quote: Dally "So you believe inclusivity includes banning committed Christians? Murphy, Karalius etc were all Roman Catholics, indeed the game and the Church have a strong historical connection. NB there is a distinction between Old and New Testaments.'"
I wouldn't want to ban anyone just for having certain beliefs.
However, if those beliefs were regurgitated and in direct conflict of other groups playing the sport then, of course something needs to be done.
I said in a previous post that if ANY supporter was shouting some of his views from the stands, they would be ejected from the ground and very likely banned and yet, it's ok for a player to "go public" with those views
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I wouldn't want to ban anyone just for having certain beliefs.
However, if those beliefs were regurgitated and in direct conflict of other groups playing the sport then, of course something needs to be done.
I said in a previous post that if ANY supporter was shouting some of his views from the stands, they would be ejected from the ground and very likely banned and yet, it's ok for a player to "go public" with those views
But he is de facto being tolerant on other players etc who act in ways contrary to his beliefs and yet others are not tolerant of his firmly held beliefs. Now that is crazy and dangerous.
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| Quote: Dally "But he is de facto being tolerant on other players etc who act in ways contrary to his beliefs and yet others are not tolerant of his firmly held beliefs. Now that is crazy and dangerous.'"
Are you suggesting that by playing RL, he is in fact going against his own beliefs ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "I wouldn't want to ban anyone just for having certain beliefs.
However, if those beliefs were regurgitated and in direct conflict of other groups playing the sport then, of course something needs to be done.
I said in a previous post that if ANY supporter was shouting some of his views from the stands, they would be ejected from the ground and very likely banned and yet, it's ok for a player to "go public" with those views
Hence he will have his contract ripped up if he breaks the terms of his deal.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Are you suggesting that by playing RL, he is in fact going against his own beliefs ?'"
No.
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| Quote: Dally "No.'"
Then, please explain what you were suggesting
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Then, please explain what you were suggesting'"
Thought it was obvious - he plays against many who would be on the list of 'sinners' he referred to.
I understand this is one translation of relevant passagehomosexuals, nor ]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
Did he not also point out there was 'redemption' on offer too?
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| Quote: Dally "Thought it was obvious - he plays against many who would be on the list of 'sinners' he referred to.
I understand this is one translation of relevant passagehomosexuals, nor ]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
Did he not also point out there was 'redemption' on offer too?'"
Well, if he's prepared to play against such a plethora of "sinners", he deserves a medal
Redemption for ones sexuality is indeed a wonderous thing. Perhaps you could explain how that could possibly work or, are we to send homosexuals etc on "correction" programs.
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| Quote: Dally "Thought it was obvious - he plays against many who would be on the list of 'sinners' he referred to.
I understand this is one translation of relevant passagehomosexuals, nor ]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
Did he not also point out there was 'redemption' on offer too?'"
heres a good one
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death"
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| Quote: Angelus "heres a good one
"Six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death"'"
Isn't there something about tattoos, wearing mixed fabrics and eating shrimps as well? Must be nice to pick and choose what you adhere to in order to fit your own world view.
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