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Quote: post "You’re being very judgemental you know, tut tut.'"

a judgement based on evidence, you keep digging, it is easy fodder for the rest of us.

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Quote: post "It seems like the RL commentary team are going the same was as football and crow barring a female rugby league player on the panel.

Now women’s rugby league is no better than the worst men’s league so why have them on? I get football because it isn’t a bad standard, but the RL is. What insight can a woman have who’s played a handful of games at a low standard have over a Superleague player or ex-player for that matter like say Lee Briers, Tommy Martyn, Leon Pryce, Lee Crooks, Garry Schofield etc.

Anyone’s else agree?

Please don’t just call me a masogynist, come up with a factual response if you disagree.'"

Always thought Clare Balding did a great job for the BBC, and was sorry that she left as I thought she'd improve with time as her knowledge and understanding of the game grew. So yes, there's a place in RL for female broadcasters for me.

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Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "Well I for one am fed up of listening to former players being crow barred into punditry with zero ability for it. As for your obvious disdain of females being involved in SL I think she’s held her own & it’s refreshing to see/hear a different voice & can only be a positive bringing more female interest in the sport as a whole.'"


I agree but what I would I say is if they’re going to try and bring more female interest into the game by having female players as pundits then Sky should back that up with showing some games or at least highlights of the women’s SL.

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Quote: ThePrinter "I agree but what I would I say is if they’re going to try and bring more female interest into the game by having female players as pundits then Sky should back that up with showing some games or at least highlights of the women’s SL.'"


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Would love them to use the best commentators/presenters rather than ticking the pc box. Hopefully use someone with a bit of passion. Either that or have the option of turning the commentators off (still get the ref and crowd though)

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Quote: craig hkr "Well wrote. The lady who presents the Aus matches is excellent imo? Bearing in mind we have Barry and Tez and sometimes JJB the men's pundits aren't exactly blessed with TV talent..'"


The lady presenter you refer to is Yvonne Sampson who knows the NRL game backwards and is liked at all levels of the game.

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My Wife got me into Rugby League when we started dating. Before meeting her I'd never taken an interest. She'd watched almost from birth.

Yet the number of conversations we got in where other male supporters would ignore her and try to get my opinion was embarrassing quite frankly. Her knowledge of the sport was vastly greater than mine but simply because she was a woman is was almost like she couldn't possibly have a valuable opinion.

Unfortunately another area the sport is stuck in the past, Just like the OP it seems.

I actually think Sky are doing a great thing here to try and improve the image for once.

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Quote: post "Would you want Prof Brian Cox to teach you about the solar system or would you want Gill Smith from Wakefield Star Gazing Society?
Would that be sexist if you chose Brian Cox or admitted you’d prefer him to her?

Now athletics is different, is is tennis to an extent, so maybe is football. In horse racing female jockeys compete against men and beat them, so having a female jockey brought into the studio to give expert analysis on horse racing from a jockeys point of view would be fine as they’d have the top level expertise that would qualify them to do so. But the gap between top level men’s and top level women’s is too large.

I’m a boxing fan, and I love watching Katie Taylor and I truly believe she’d beat a lot of men so if they brought her into studio to give expert opinion she’d be qualified to do so as she has faught all over the world and in my opinion is the best PFP female boxer on the planet. So am I sexist if I have that opinion or not? Or is it only when I criticise them?'"


The thing you are missing is that you are judging her skills as a pundit on her achievements in an area of sport she can't compete in.
Your Brian Cox example shows exactly why you are wrong.
Brian Cox is a very intelligent and well qualified scientist. But that is not why they put him on tv. He has that gig because he can present science better than most people. He doesn't present anything near the level he actually studies. None of us would understand a word he was saying because we are not at that level. So it doesn't matter whether he is the best at what he studies, it matters that he can present in an entertaining way and teach people who know less than he does.

A Rugby League Pundit is the same.
I am lucky enough to go to the Great Britain Lions Luncheon every year. The very very best rugby league players from this country attend that dinner and receive awards and talk on stage. I can't tell you how great it is to talk to those guys and listen to their stories. The qualifications in the room would be too great to list, but not many would be able to talk on camera to millions of people. That is a different skill altogether.

Trent Robinson is one of the most insightful pundits I've seen on Sky. Probably only Eddie has played less professional games on the Sky team.

Whether Lois Forsell was brought in because they needed to tick a box only Sky can answer, but I doubt they actually needed to tick a box at all. Viewing figures is what they are judged on, not diversity.
Personally I was interested to know what she had to say and found it refreshing. I had no idea who she was so I could only judge her on what she said and how she said it. For that she ticks a box. I've since looked her up and she is clearly a good rugby league player and leader. If she was rubbish and didn't know what she was talking about (like Terry) I would call it out, but she wasn't.

Sky don't feel the need to bring in someone who is not white European or white Australasian. That would tick a diversity box but they don't do that, so why instantly think this is the same? Maybe, they think she'll be good and will bring a different view point to the game based on her personality, her lessons learned as a player and her ability to talk in front of the camera.

The fact that this has to be explained in 2019 is really sad.

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Quote: PopTart "The thing you are missing is that you are judging her skills as a pundit on her achievements in an area of sport she can't compete in.
Your Brian Cox example shows exactly why you are wrong.
Brian Cox is a very intelligent and well qualified scientist. But that is not why they put him on tv. He has that gig because he can present science better than most people. He doesn't present anything near the level he actually studies. None of us would understand a word he was saying because we are not at that level. So it doesn't matter whether he is the best at what he studies, it matters that he can present in an entertaining way and teach people who know less than he does.

A Rugby League Pundit is the same.
I am lucky enough to go to the Great Britain Lions Luncheon every year. The very very best rugby league players from this country attend that dinner and receive awards and talk on stage. I can't tell you how great it is to talk to those guys and listen to their stories. The qualifications in the room would be too great to list, but not many would be able to talk on camera to millions of people. That is a different skill altogether.

Trent Robinson is one of the most insightful pundits I've seen on Sky. Probably only Eddie has played less professional games on the Sky team.

Whether Lois Forsell was brought in because they needed to tick a box only Sky can answer, but I doubt they actually needed to tick a box at all. Viewing figures is what they are judged on, not diversity.
Personally I was interested to know what she had to say and found it refreshing. I had no idea who she was so I could only judge her on what she said and how she said it. For that she ticks a box. I've since looked her up and she is clearly a good rugby league player and leader. If she was rubbish and didn't know what she was talking about (like Terry) I would call it out, but she wasn't.

Sky don't feel the need to bring in someone who is not white European or white Australasian. That would tick a diversity box but they don't do that, so why instantly think this is the same? Maybe, they think she'll be good and will bring a different view point to the game based on her personality, her lessons learned as a player and her ability to talk in front of the camera.

The fact that this has to be explained in 2019 is really sad.'"

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Agreed! Just a crying shame it's wasted. Like reading the Gettysburg Address in reply to a Donald Trump tweet!

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Sky's commentary and pundit team have needed shaking up for a long while. In my mind women pundits actually offer more insight as they are trying really hard to prove their worth. Some of the current males bring absolutely nothing to the coverage.

And as PopTart was referring too, a great player often doesn't make a great coach or a great pundit. I'd rather have a female player who can talk eloquently about the game rather than a rugby league legend who brings no insight and just repeats cliches.

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Quote: ryano "Agreed! Just a crying shame it's wasted. Like reading the Gettysburg Address in reply to a Donald Trump tweet!'"

Now I've just sprayed covfefe over my monitor!

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The Lady on the Superleague Show this week was interesting to listen to . I don’t understand why people have an issue with female presenters or guests on rugby league programmes.

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Is Jodie Cunningham (saints player) any relative of Kieron or Eddie?

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Quote: Clearwing "Is Jodie Cunningham (saints player) any relative of Kieron or Eddie?'"

No, no relation. She's from Warrington although plays RL for St. Helens.

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