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| Quote: The Video Ref "Huddersfield, Wakefield, Widnes, Leigh, Salford, London.
I do not recall any of these sides ever generating a decent average attendance and they have had about 4 good seasons between them in the last 20 or so years.
What exactly do they bring to the game? Would we miss them if they vanished?'"
Are you just attention seeking?
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| Quote: robinrovers10 "Unless the RFL bring in what they did with Crusaders, where salaries and oversees status was scrapped to enable the players to continue to have an occupation. Hull KR got Lincoln Withers and Ryan O'Hara as a result of the Crusaders colapse, and the majority of the Crusaders squad found new teams. It would be a shame for Widnes to lose their top players in this way, and will only add to the disaster that unfolds.
Good luck and i genuinly hope you come out the other end in a better position, as most have mentioned, Widnes is a hotbed for Rugby League.'"
Ironically widnes got a fair few players out of that arrangement.
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| Superleague 2022 will clock you up some real air miles in guesssing. It’s a vision of the likes of Toronto I really don’t blame, they’re doing nothing wrong and will become a success. But the sport I fell in love with growing up was travelling to the likes of Leigh, Saints, Castleford, Halifax, Leeds. Etc.
Proper rugby places with full on rugby league folk. The atmosphere between fans of this game is like no other. Soon, you’ll be travelling to places on a regular occurrence that don’t even speak the same language. The m62 corridor doesn’t sound like the most flashy/appealing system but it’s for me something I’ve loved the pleasure of growing up witnessing.
Times are changing and if you haven’t got the money to mix it at the top with the big boys, then you’ll yo yo around before making way for more expansion.
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Out of the 4 clubs to be relegated in recent times Widnes Leigh Hull KR and Bradford 3 have gone bust'"
2 actually *Leigh didn't go bust or into admin* which is why we have no points deduction yet DB took us to the edge in a successful attempt to restructure the business, however I get your general drift !
I hope that there are backers waiting in the wings *maybe for admin to get the Club for a song* & that Widnes rebuild towards former glories.
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| Quote: Ste100Centurions "2 actually *Leigh didn't go bust or into admin* which is why we have no points deduction yet DB took us to the edge in a successful attempt to restructure the business, however I get your general drift !
I hope that there are backers waiting in the wings *maybe for admin to get the Club for a song* & that Widnes rebuild towards former glories.'"
And didnt Bradford go ' bust ' in SL before relegation ?
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| Quote: The Video Ref "Huddersfield, Wakefield, Widnes, Leigh, Salford, London.
I do not recall any of these sides ever generating a decent average attendance and they have had about 4 good seasons between them in the last 20 or so years.
What exactly do they bring to the game? Would we miss them if they vanished?'"
They bring opposition to other teams. If they went bust who would replace them? Barrow and their 16 fans which would result in you posting “what do barrow bring, would we miss them if they vanished?” What do you want? A league with saints, Leeds, Wigan and hull kr? How long would that last without the sky money.
Stop being an Imbecile
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| Quote: GUBRATS "And didnt Bradford go ' bust ' in SL before relegation ?'"
Haven’t they gone bust since though a couple of times
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| Quote: Ste100Centurions "2 actually *Leigh didn't go bust or into admin* which is why we have no points deduction yet DB took us to the edge in a successful attempt to restructure the business, however I get your general drift !
I hope that there are backers waiting in the wings *maybe for admin to get the Club for a song* & that Widnes rebuild towards former glories.'"
Yeah the point I was sort of making is although we all want promotion and relegation it doesn’t help the clubs as all have had serious problems like I said we recovered because our owners stuck by us and the fans bought into it and we went straight back up luckily but I still remember the 90s when we were a right state and the BBC did a documentary on us we came close on a number of occasions of going under and seemed to be in administration all the time
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Haven’t they gone bust since though a couple of times'"
No, twice whilst in SL and once while in the Championship
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Yeah the point I was sort of making is although we all want promotion and relegation it doesn’t help the clubs as all have had serious problems like I said we recovered because our owners stuck by us and the fans bought into it and we went straight back up luckily but I still remember the 90s when we were a right state and the BBC did a documentary on us we came close on a number of occasions of going under and seemed to be in administration all the time'"
Yeah and during the licencing period no club went bust or
got into serious financial difficulties. P&R is a complete red herring.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "I hope that Widnes survives. It has a very good stadium. But it it needs to survive in the Championship. Widnes is just not capable of competing in Super League with its paltry fan base.'"
12,700....that was the 2018 average of Cronulla Sharks......in the imaginary Rugby League heaven that is Sydney.......do one bazza.... 2016 champions and out-drawn my the friggin Melourne Storm...
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| Quote: Mr Dog "Yeah and during the licencing period no club went bust or
got into serious financial difficulties. P&R is a complete red herring.'"
Widnes benefitted massively from licensing. It gave them the opportunity to build steadily and get their youth systems going without having to worry about the immediate threat of relegation.
The middle 8’s were done away with because they dragged too many clubs into a relegation fight. Leeds being a perfect example last year. Leeds were making short term decisions and signings to try and safeguard against the disaster of being relegated instead of putting that money to better use for medium and long term growth. Leeds is big and healthy enough financially they can withstand that. Most RL clubs would be seriously affected by it.
You’re going to get clubs who are daft and overspend. In my opinion licensing significantly reduced the need for that and so provided much needed stability and surety for clubs to grow. P&R doesn’t provide that, however is better than the middle 8’s as it only drags 1,2 or 3 clubs into a relegation fight rather than 4, 5 or 6.
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| Quote: Mr Dog "Yeah and during the licencing period no club went bust or
got into serious financial difficulties. P&R is a complete red herring.'"
Don’t get me wrong I want P&R the problem is the sport isn’t cash rich so when a club does get relegated because of the massive gulf between SL and the championship money wise you end up having to do what Leigh have done and gone part time to survive
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Don’t get me wrong I want P&R the problem is the sport isn’t cash rich so when a club does get relegated because of the massive gulf between SL and the championship money wise you end up having to do what Leigh have done and gone part time to survive'"
Not necessarily go part time, that would depend on how deep a particular clubs pockets are.
KR coped very well and came back stronger.
Leigh have had to go part time due to failing to gain promotion and failing to make the top 4, which leaves you with little cash to spend on players.
It looks like Widnes are in for a torrid time but, relegation itself doesnt mean going part time.
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| Quote: Pats plastic pitch "Superleague 2022 will clock you up some real air miles in guesssing. It’s a vision of the likes of Toronto I really don’t blame, they’re doing nothing wrong and will become a success. But the sport I fell in love with growing up was travelling to the likes of Leigh, Saints, Castleford, Halifax, Leeds. Etc.
[iProper rugby places with full on rugby league folk. The atmosphere between fans of this game is like no other. Soon, you’ll be travelling to places on a regular occurrence that don’t even speak the same language[/i. The m62 corridor doesn’t sound like the most flashy/appealing system but it’s for me something I’ve loved the pleasure of growing up witnessing.
Times are changing and if you haven’t got the money to mix it at the top with the big boys, then you’ll yo yo around before making way for more expansion.'"
If you get the chance go to Perpignan to see the Dragons. No, they don't speak the same language but they are as passionate and as traditonal as League fans get, anywhere. OK I',m fortunate that I speak reasonable French but I've taken non-speaking friends with me and they love the atmosphere, too.
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