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Think of it this way. If there were no RL teams in Leeds would Cas get the 15K Leeds fans? '"

No, they'd go back to Bradford...

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certainly passionate about the game, go on Marwan give it a go icon_smile.gif

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Quote: snowie "certainly passionate about the game, go on Marwan give it a go I do find it odd that he gave Salford away and then wants to start a new club, in a new ground, in Sefton, which isn't really Liverpool as such.

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I bet Saints, Warrington and Widnes are chuffed to bits about this one.
IF there ever is a successful Liverpool RLFC, it would have more "draw" than the other clubs in that area.

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Quote: MGarbutt1986 "I do find it odd that he gave Salford away and then wants to start a new club, in a new ground, in Sefton, which isn't really Liverpool as such.'"
I think he realised by taking the club away from salford killed the support and wants to start from new which is very brave of him, also talks about a new stadium which is also very brave of him to do I couldn't imagine spending best part of say £5 -6 million on a new venture

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Quote: snowie "I think he realised by taking the club away from salford killed the support and wants to start from new which is very brave of him, also talks about a new stadium which is also very brave of him to do I couldn't imagine spending best part of say £5 -6 million on a new venture'"

Depending where in Sefton he is thinking about, the land alone could cost north of £3m.

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First with Toronto and now this, it just sets a norm really of if you have millions in the bank, the pathway to being a superleague club will only take 2-3 years. They're not even sure yet what they're doing with the option of still "relocating" a current club. It wouldn't attract many away from widnes i know that for sure but like i have said previously, if it takes off at amateur level and in schools in Liverpool, that will be a success for me. Liverpool is a sporting mad City but this will be a challenge

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Quote: Pats plastic pitch "First with Toronto and now this, it just sets a norm really of if you have millions in the bank, the pathway to being a superleague club will only take 2-3 years. They're not even sure yet what they're doing with the option of still "relocating" a current club. It wouldn't attract many away from widnes i know that for sure but like i have said previously, if it takes off at amateur level and in schools in Liverpool, that will be a success for me. Liverpool is a sporting mad City but this will be a challenge'"


Any successful club will take fans from their local rivals.
Of course, "true" fans would NEVER change allegiance. However, there are glory supporters everywhere.
During the height of Bullmania, there were nearly as many Bulls fans in Wakefield as there were Trinity fans, all streaming off to Odsal with their cars be-decked in flags and banners.
Thankfully, we only have Cas to worry about now (and Leeds).
However, the point stands, people will be drawn to successful clubs, just look at Man United, none of their fans actually live in Manchester icon_biggrin.gif

The real issue for any new "super club" is the structure underneath the SL side, which HAS to be in place. If not, despite any initial boost, they could actually destroy the game, especially if success does not come relatively quickly and Mr Koucash never seemed to have much patience.

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I can't see it affecting Warrington any more than St Helens - Warrington's far enough away to make Liverpool RLFC irrelevant in terms of immediate catchment area. Both clubs (and even Widnes icon_wink.gif) have the history behind them that whatever new club is formed won't have.

While I can see the appeal to someone who doesn't really know the city well, the situation isn't the same as say Salford or Toronto. Salford was a long existing club that hadn't really managed to capitalise on proximity to Manchester and was then stuffed by moving to a stadium that is a nightmare to get to (particularly without the long promised Tramlink). Toronto is a good piece of marketing and developing from scratch but we'll have to see how sustainable it is - one important difference b/w Liverpool and Toronto is that Toronto has lots of sport competition but no RL competition, Liverpool has lots of decent RL teams in close proximity.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "I bet Saints, Warrington and Widnes are chuffed to bits about this one.
IF there ever is a successful Liverpool RLFC, it would have more "draw" than the other clubs in that area.'"


Quite possibly but I doubt it. As far as these clubs and towns are concerned there are obviously ex pat Liverpudlians living there, but, I'm not sure that they make up that much of a percentage of the crowds, certainly not at Warrington in my experience, the others may differ because they are nearer (more Liverpudlian curtain.gif ).

In addition, I don't think that these clubs draw supporters in great numbers from the City of Liverpool itself so little concern as far as it goes from me. If they get to be successful and attract say 10,000 plus, the majority IMO will be 'new' fans rather than nabbing a couple of thousand from each of the clubs that you mentioned if that's what you were driving at?

We share a border with Widnes, Salford, Leigh Wigan and St Helens and I hope that the new club venture some 20 miles away from my patch is a success. (Again I doubt it, concurring with Pat's Plastic Pitch) as I think it could be good for the game.

In Warrington's case, as we are equidistant you could also say that a successful new team in Manchester will be of a concern, but, it again it isn't

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Quote: snowie "I think he realised by taking the club away from salford killed the support and wants to start from new which is very brave of him, also talks about a new stadium which is also very brave of him to do I couldn't imagine spending best part of say £5 -6 million on a new venture'"

when did Salford move away from Salford the new ground may be over side of motorway but it is still in Salford

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Quote: ninearches "Liverpool had rugby teams in the 30s,40s & 50s, the hay day of RL. Liverpool Stanley ,then City ,then Huyton ,the Runcorn Highfield ,then oblivion in the end.'"


Possibly one or two new people have been born in Liverpool in the past 70 years.

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Koukash mentioned Sefton

The only grounds I can think of in Sefton are Haig Avenue or New Bucks Park.

Will he give the team a ridiculous name like Southport Sandgrounders or Bootle Boot Boys?

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