Excellent isn’t it Shifty!

He's not denying that, he said that there was maybe a couple of better packs than Cas,perhaps while your on a roll you'd like to name one other than Wakey's.

The majority of them are bang average at best. A few rubbish players in there as well. Saints have the best pack without a doubt.

I’d take more from Cas from those head to heads. I’m sure Cas could fill a few of those ‘None’ from the academy. I mean one of yours in Baldwinson really has failed to prove himself and will probably be in the Championship eventually and George King I think is a player who sounds like a good signing because he came through at Warrington but I never really rated him and think he’ll end up following in the footsteps of other Warrington academy lads they let go like Chris Riley and Rhys Evans and not do much after leaving Warrington.

Saints pack is soft as was shown in the big games last year when Wire and Cats steam rolled them. To make things worse they've just resigned LMS the soft cheerleader.

Lots of forwards but not cracking ones. I would take most of ours over your guys in a heartbeat looking at that head to head. You have lots of short minute guys or bang average. With the interchanges per game now dropping to 8 I sure hope the fitness of your guys is much better. The 'None' can be made up of more players like Will Maher but I haven't gone that deep.

It's all subjective, the point is it's a good strong pack with plenty of SL experience right down to Baldwinson which is 17 players. Tbf Baldwinson's just turned 24 and hasn't been given many chances because he's been behind better players, whether he develops into a SL week in week out forward who knows. As for King we'll wait and see, but it's not as if he'd be in the starting 17 imo anyway. Also because we're running a reserve side we've needed more SL quality players as well as signing up our youngsters.

Well your bound to say that aren't you. Funnily enough, I'd take more of ours, isn't that strange. I'm sure no matter the side listed against yours you'd have said the same.

If Ashurst, Fifita, and Arona aren't cracking forwards, well you haven't got any either then. Not sure what the standard is for cracking forward is then.

Also, who are all these short minute forwards? I mean you can't be talking about back rowers or hookers because that's daft, so I can only presume props. There's not one that can't & hasn't done less than 50 minutes a game. People seem to have come to this strange conclusion without watching them week in week out that say Fifita doesn't do decent minutes when in fact he plays over 50 minutes plus just about every game, even Pauli who got fitter as the season went on has played full games and can easily do decent minutes.

Spot on there Shifty lad, summed up perfectly.

Millington is half decent. The rest are bang average at best

OK - here goes.

Wigan have lost a few good players and not really brought in much quality. I reckon this will be a transition year under their interim coach and are already looking to 2020.

Leeds are rebuilding but is it enough?

Hull have an aging pack and have quite a number of players that they should have let go already.

Cas without Gale and not so many good new signings.

On the flip side Wakey still look strong, we've recruited heavily, Catalans recruited well and Saints may have won the league by August.

So (with my obvious red tinted glasses on):

1. Saints
2. Warrington
3. Catalans
4. Wakefield
5. Hull KR
6. Wigan
7. Huddersfield
8. Leeds
9. Castleford
10. Hull FC
11. Salford
12. London

Brad dwyer as well

1st - Warrington (your year lads, your year)
2nd - Saints
3rd - Wigan
4th - Catalans
5th - Wakefield
6th - Castleford
7th - Leeds
8th - Huddersfield
9th - Hull FC
10th - Hull KR
11th - London
12th - Salford