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| Quote DGM="DGM"Exactly. Turn the focus on Leigh's squad and youth production line for a minute, who have a 138-year head start on Toronto;
They have;
3 Samoans (Mata-utia, Hansen, Vaivai)
3 Frenchmen (Larroyer, Bergal, Dezaria)
3 Aussies (Mortimer, Hutchison, Lovett)
1 Kiwi (Thompson)
Then they have players picked up from SL surplus in; Craig Hall, Ben Crooks, Rhys Evans, Ben Reynolds, Liam Hood, Jordan Thompson, Larne Patrick, Jack Owens, Greg Richards, Jack Blagborough.
Other players from fellow Championship/L1 clubs; Jamie Acton, Nathan Mason
Loanees; Gregson from Wigan, Bailey from Saints
The only player in their senior squad they can lay claim to is Micky Higham, who's nearly 38.
Toronto of course have a bona-fide Canadian in their squad already, Ngawati.
I'll let you all form your own conclusions.'"
Some great posts DGM, couldn’t agree more.
It’s hardly a surprise to see another thread made by a Leigh fan attacking Toronto, they are obsessed.
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| Quote DGM="DGM"Exactly. Turn the focus on Leigh's squad and youth production line for a minute, who have a 138-year head start on Toronto;
They have;
3 Samoans (Mata-utia, Hansen, Vaivai)
3 Frenchmen (Larroyer, Bergal, Dezaria)
3 Aussies (Mortimer, Hutchison, Lovett)
1 Kiwi (Thompson)
What a surprise ! You 'googled' our current squad which has the lowest number of 'local players' in the club's history.
Try our promotion squad of 2016, where we had 8 'local players'...no, didn't think so expansion lover.
I found this on the internet about your BELOVED club..... you lucky sods !
Care to comment Petal !
[iDuring their sole season in the league, Gateshead Thunder claimed to have lost £700,000, so on 15 November 1999, the board announced their intention to merge the Thunder with the Hull Sharks, for which they were paid a fee £1.25 million by Super League Europe. The Association of Premiership Clubs blocked attempts for the newly merged company to enter a separate Hull-based team in the Northern Ford Premiership, and so the new club would be called 'Hull' and play all their home games in Hull itself. The 'merger' has since been accepted to be a simple takeover of Thunder by Hull F.C. to allow them to retain their Super League status.[/i
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| Quote Trinity18="Trinity18"Like I said about 10 comments ago... it's not admirable to buy success thats what my point is!'"
Every club attempts to buy success.
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| Quote Him="Him"Every club attempts to buy success.'"
Agreed, it’s professional sport, every club attempts to buy success.
The salary cap means you can’t simply buy your way to the title at the top level. Look at the teams that have competed in the grand finals over the years, they all excel in producing players through their academies.
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| so if you break or ignore the salary cap to gain success, whats your view on that?
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| Quote Canoeman="Canoeman"13%of the troops but one of the 5 beaches (uhhh....for you that would be 20%; punchiing above their weight again). Ever hear of the Battle of Britain?, many of the pilots in those planes were Canadian....very disrespectful. Ever hear of the Battle of the Atlantic....that was the Canadian Navy fighting those subs so your people could eat....very disrespectful. Without us you would have been finished in that war and you know it....we fed ya, we clothed ya, we defended ya....we saved ya and you have forgotten it. Alot of us died to help you folks out.
Ever hear of the term over there "Lest We Not Forget'
-that means more than one day of the year my friend,that means we will remember them every day, 365 of them, every year! I will always remember them and not try to sluff them off on a web page. SHAME!'"
You are a complete and utter bragging numptie. So one beach is 20% and the way you are coming across is that the other 80% didn’t count because the Canadians saved our butts. Don’t talk to me about ‘lest we forget ‘, I have probably had more years selling poppies than you have had years on this planet. A poppy represents a member of the forces that lost a life, irrespective of colour, creed or nationality. You are the clown who thinks Canadian soldiers, airmen and sailor lives were special because they saved our butts.
“Without us etc “ is the biggest load of nationalistic posing tripe i have read for ages.
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| Quote Canoeman="Canoeman"13%of the troops but one of the 5 beaches (uhhh....for you that would be 20%; punchiing above their weight again). Ever hear of the Battle of Britain?, many of the pilots in those planes were Canadian....very disrespectful. Ever hear of the Battle of the Atlantic....that was the Canadian Navy fighting those subs so your people could eat....very disrespectful. Without us you would have been finished in that war and you know it....we fed ya, we clothed ya, we defended ya....we saved ya and you have forgotten it. Alot of us died to help you folks out.
Ever hear of the term over there "Lest We Not Forget'
-that means more than one day of the year my friend,that means we will remember them every day, 365 of them, every year! I will always remember them and not try to sluff them off on a web page. SHAME!'"
Hark at you sunshine !
HAVE YOU EVER served 1 day or more in the military ?
Sound just like a civvie banging his chest about *how brave we are/were* while all the time wielding nothing more deadly than a biro & dodging nothing more dangerous than a bit of hard work !
Oh & Moosemilk is really rather nice, I used to enjoy it, though I fear that you haven't the faintest clue what I am referring to do you ?
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| Quote RoyBoy29="RoyBoy29"so if you break or ignore the salary cap to gain success, whats your view on that?'"
It’s happened many times, various clubs have had points deducted for breaching the salary cap, Melbourne have had titles stripped. Apparently the cap is now live and it’s not possible to go over.
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| Quote RoyBoy29="RoyBoy29"so if you break or ignore the salary cap to gain success, whats your view on that?'"
That any club who break the salary cap in any way should be severely punished. I think the punishments in the past weren’t harsh enough.
Is there any evidence Toronto has broken the salary cap?
I’d be surprised if there is. Clubs that are successful are often accused of breaking the salary cap, usually without anything to back it up.
The point was that it’s a silly argument to accuse Toronto of trying to “buy success” as if it’s a bad thing. Every club does so. Paying your players is buying success.
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| Quote Ste100Centurions="Ste100Centurions"Hark at you sunshine !
HAVE YOU EVER served 1 day or more in the military ?
Sound just like a civvie banging his chest about *how brave we are/were* while all the time wielding nothing more deadly than a biro & dodging nothing more dangerous than a bit of hard work !
Oh & Moosemilk is really rather nice, I used to enjoy it, though I fear that you haven't the faintest clue what I am referring to do you ?'"
Too many presumptions, nowhere have I mentioned bravery, I am merely responding to your boast that Canadian forces ‘saved our butts’, which disrespects all the other nations who contributed to the allied victory.
End of conversation.
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| Quote Him="Him"That any club who break the salary cap in any way should be severely punished. I think the punishments in the past weren’t harsh enough.
Is there any evidence Toronto has broken the salary cap?
I’d be surprised if there is. Clubs that are successful are often accused of breaking the salary cap, usually without anything to back it up.
The point was that it’s a silly argument to accuse Toronto of trying to “buy success” as if it’s a bad thing. Every club does so. Paying your players is buying success.'"
As I said a few pages back, a quick look through their squad is enough to know they’re not spending £1.9m on that squad, considering only a few top end SL squads are doing so.
This thread is unfortunately Drawing out those “fans” who’d rather see the sport due on its , than see their club easily overtaken by a newcomer. They won’t change their positions, no matter how often you debunk their conspiracy theories or points. They apply ridiculously high standards to expansion sides that they wouldn’t apply to an M62 club. Their minds are closed unfortunately,
TWP are taking RL to a new audience and brining money into the game. For year 2, that’s enough for me.
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| Quote Trinity18="Trinity18"Your key word being predominantly, it attracts new fans - proof? I've family myself who have never watched a minute of Rugby yet came up to watch the latest double header in Newcaslte. Would you call that expansion? As small as it may be?
"Like saints paying Barba.
Leeds getting players like peacock, sinfield, moon et Al.
And Bradford with vinakolo, Paul brothers etc."
All out of context... they're 1 and 2 players. Not 27 so don't talk absolute rubbish'"
I felt a couple of players would be sufficient, but I'm pretty sure all the members of champion squad over the SL years have been full paid professionals.
Is your point that success abd expansion only counts if your squad consists of x number of players born within town/City boundaries.
If that is the rule we will need to start stripping some clubs of titles they have won.
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