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Magic weekend in New York would be magic, now you see it now you don't, Debbie Mcgeeeeeeeeeeeee!

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



I'm not necessarily asking 12 clubs to make an equal contribution, but at the same time I think that simply saying "the draw was bad" provides an easy excuse for clubs that consistently under-perform when it comes to ticket sales - not just at Magic Weekend, but across the league.

At what point do we say to these clubs that bumbling along on <6k averages and under-selling the sport with cheap tickets is damaging to the sport and that they need to work harder? I don't see any of these clubs doing anything particularly innovative.

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Why is it always Leeds fans banging on about smaller clubs attendances/holding back the game like they are the blueprint how every sporting club should be run.... it’s so hypocritical from fans of a club who are against running an academy and attract the massive amount of around 20,000 out of nearly a million people despite being the most successful super league side and only having a very poor football club to compete with. I’d focus a little closer to home rather than looking at how the smaller clubs are trying to get interest.

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "Why is it always Leeds fans banging on about smaller clubs attendances/holding back the game like they are the blueprint how every sporting club should be run.... it’s so hypocritical from fans of a club who are against running an academy and attract the massive amount of around 20,000 out of nearly a million people despite being the most successful super league side and only having a very poor football club to compete with. I’d focus a little closer to home rather than looking at how the smaller clubs are trying to get interest.'"


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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Cas Till I Die "a club who are against running an academy '"


So against running an academy that their's has been one of the most fruitful in this sport in the modern era? Seriously, stop embarassing yourself.

I'll be more than quick to call out Leeds' failing where I see them, but the fact remains that they have made much more progress than most. They also have challenges that other clubs don't have - they compete with a vibrant night-time economy and large parts of that one million population is much more transient than the population of most of RL land.

But the fact remains that all clubs, top-to-bottom, aren't attracting new audiences. It's time that was challenged, rather than resorting to petty "whataboutism", because it lets lazy clubs off the hook.

But hey, who am I to want to see this sport progress and the product for spectators become as good as it can be?

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Quote: bramleyrhino "So against running an academy that their's has been one of the most fruitful in this sport in the modern era? Seriously, stop embarassing yourself.

I'll be more than quick to call out Leeds' failing where I see them, but the fact remains that they have made much more progress than most. They also have challenges that other clubs don't have - they compete with a vibrant night-time economy and large parts of that one million population is much more transient than the population of most of RL land.

But the fact remains that all clubs, top-to-bottom, aren't attracting new audiences. It's time that was challenged, rather than resorting to petty "whataboutism", because it lets lazy clubs off the hook.

But hey, who am I to want to see this sport progress and the product for spectators become as good as it can be?'"


Yeah it’s harder attracting new fans in Leeds than it is in Leigh because you have ‘a vibrant nightlife’ to contend with icon_lol.gif

Cut the spin out, I doubt your a politician so don’t act like one

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Cas Till I Die "Yeah it’s harder attracting new fans in Leeds than it is in Leigh because you have ‘a vibrant nightlife’ to contend with
It's nothing to do with "spin" in the slightest. There are a lot of ways to spend £20 in Leeds on a Friday night - probably far more than there are in Castleford. Despite what you imply, Leeds Rhinos are competing against far more than just Leeds United.

There are also more people living in Leeds who don't have much of an attachment to the city than there are people living in Castleford. I doubt that hundreds of thousands of people move to Glasshoughton from all around the UK and beyond to take advantage of the educational and professional opportunities, do they?

Like I said, I'll happily call out my club where I see fit (for the record, their online store is a shambles), but I'll equally praise smaller clubs that do show that it can be done. I've seen some of the work at York and it's far ahead of what clubs with much bigger resources and budgets are doing.

But you keep that chip on your shoulder if it makes you feel better.

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Quote: Cas Till I Die " it’s so hypocritical from fans of a club who are against running an academy.'"


Presume you mean reserves, firstly what's that got to do with attendances and secondly given we're looking at being into or near double figures of injured players this week and longer as well as struggling most of this year then the chances of us having enough players to fulfill weekly reserve fixtures without cancelling numerous games is slin.

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Continuously taking digs at smaller clubs who get a few thousand out of tens of thousands for not making enough effort..... offer nothing but feeble excuses when questioned about why you aren’t tapping into the 3 quarters of a million people who don’t go to watch your club.

Love Leeds fans on the VT icon_lol.gif

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: Cas Till I Die "Continuously taking digs at smaller clubs who get a few thousand out of tens of thousands for not making enough effort..... offer nothing but feeble excuses when questioned about why you aren’t tapping into the 3 quarters of a million people who don’t go to watch your club.

Love Leeds fans on the VT
Pointing out that the leisure market in Leeds is a lot more competitive than in Cas and the population dynamics are also very difference is not a "feeble excuse" - they're the facts of the market.

The facts are also that every club, big or small, needs to work harder at increasing their customer base. If you're not attracting new fans, you're losing fans and the reality is that some clubs aren't working as hard or as smart as others in this regard.

Castleford aren't confined to marketing themselves to the population of Castleford. If their crowds aren't growing because the market is too small, they need to expand to another market.

But yeah, petty 'whataboutism' is really what this sport needs right now.

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Average attendance to number of people in town/city and Leeds are near the bottom so their fans should never harp on about attendances

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Pointing out that the leisure market in Leeds is a lot more competitive than in Cas and the population dynamics are also very difference is not a "feeble excuse" - they're the facts of the market.

The facts are also that every club, big or small, needs to work harder at increasing their customer base. If you're not attracting new fans, you're losing fans and the reality is that some clubs aren't working as hard or as smart as others in this regard.

Castleford aren't confined to marketing themselves to the population of Castleford. If their crowds aren't growing because the market is too small, they need to expand to another market.

But yeah, petty 'whataboutism' is really what this sport needs right now.'"


Yeah, it’s not like Castleford have to compete with a place that’s a 3 quid 15 minute train ride away...... stop being a moron

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



The bottom line is that all clubs have to work harder, and I've never said some haven't. But some aren't working as hard as others.

These forums are full of moans about the lack of crowds, the falling participation, the crap sponsors and crap TV deals. Now we can do what we usually do and take the easy answer by blaming the RFL and hoping that Eddie Hearn will save us, or we can apportion blame with where it actually lies - with ALL of the clubs. My point however still stands, some clubs are more culpable than others.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "The bottom line is that all clubs have to work harder, and I've never said some haven't. But some aren't working as hard as others.

These forums are full of moans about the lack of crowds, the falling participation, the crap sponsors and crap TV deals. Now we can do what we usually do and take the easy answer by blaming the RFL and hoping that Eddie Hearn will save us, or we can apportion blame with where it actually lies - with ALL of the clubs. My point however still stands, some clubs are more culpable than others.'"


Back to the usual snorefest over typed lines, I actually take it back you might be a politician. What makes you so smart that you know more than club owners whose interest it is in to make a business work ??? Maybe you should buy a RL club or start your own amateur club in an expansionist area and we can all watch as that club soars to the top of RL showing all others in the sport how it’s done ??? I can’t imagine thinking I’m so smart I have thought of thousands of ideas that club owners and marketing teams haven’t whose interest it is in to succeed.

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "Back to the usual snorefest over typed lines, I actually take it back you might be a politician. What makes you so smart that you know more than club owners whose interest it is in to make a business work ??? Maybe you should buy a RL club or start your own amateur club in an expansionist area and we can all watch as that club soars to the top of RL showing all others in the sport how it’s done ??? I can’t imagine thinking I’m so smart I have thought of thousands of ideas that club owners and marketing teams haven’t whose interest it is in to succeed.'"


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