Do you have any stats on clubs in SL whilst the doors where closed for a decade.

Not sure why you think Wakefield are a border line SL side, they finished top 8 in 2016, one point off top 4 in 2017, and are currently unbeaten in 2018 and sitting in 2nd place

Stop confusing him with facts.

Yes, I do. 2008-2013 were the seasons with no relegation.10,525, 9,861, 9,812, 9,970, 10,699 and 9,639 were the average attendances.....the removal of London Broncos and Bradford Bulls from SL, 2 sides that had average gates less than that of the competition as a whole should have seen the overall average rise.......it hasn't. Jeopardy has resulted in the club going up, going straight back down with a 500k sweetener and we have a similar looking bottom of the SL table as last year.......the issue with licensing is that those who miss out whine and whinge and the RFL had to shop and change....the next change will have little to do with the RFL at all, but will be decided by the games owners...those top clubs who generate the most revenue...Saints, Wigan, Leeds, Wire and Hull deliver nearly 200k more paying fans the the combined total of the other 7 clubs....these are the guys making the decisions now such as your 500k sweetener........when they shut the door again and Leigh, London, Fev or Fax miss out it won't matter how much we whine.....we don't bring enough to the table.



In the terms of the conversation regarding constitutes a SL side, Wakefield over the last 5 seasons lost 60% of their games and have an average finishing position of 10th (9......310,000 people have attended 59 league games with an average of just 5,250.........as for this season, Wakefield have played four of the weakest...in fact, THE weakest 4 sides in the comp....with an average attendance that starts with the number 4.....I said they were borderline SL and I stand by that assertion.

Jeez,, what have attendances got to do with the original OP.

Let's look at Salford then and see if they are worthy of their SL slot based on attendance

I know a good way for 1up and 1down don’t bother winning the comp just go on gates ie the 1 with the least gate goes down and the 1 with the best comes up sorted ha ha ha

Wakefield are a borderline SL club because they have few fans (like Salford, another borderline SL club) and because they play out of a rodent farm which we politely call Belle Vue.

The sooner that Wakefield, Salford and Widnes join Leigh in the Championship, and make way for the promotion of Toulouse, London and Toronto, the better off Super League will be.

As this last sentence shows, I do not wish Leigh to be in League 1, because its fan base size and stadium quality is at least worthy of a Championship place.

Thanks for that Jean. At the moment, we are a mid-Championship side, playing out of a Super league quality stadium. By the end of the season, who knows what we may be.

Based on the criteria of crowds and facilities, that you highlight, where would London fit in, with their current season average gate of 962, looking somewhat lost in their 3,000 (?) capacity stadium?

What would London bring that Wakefield, Salford, Widnes and Leigh don't, other than a very measly presence in the capital. Have you heard something we haven't? Have they got 40,000 RL converts in the pipeline and a deal to play at the Emirates Stadium?

Might be slightly more of a pull for a Long haul getaway for all the Aussies that want to come over and have a few years on holiday? Similar to Catalan and Toronto in that aspect really.

Fax don't have any real stars in the team, and need the whole team to be performing to do well against the better teams. They got on a roll at the end of last season, but got found out in the 8's. Too many mistakes gifting the ball to the opposition far too often and no real spark on attack at the moment. Bags of effort and commitment though, and it should be a good game against Leigh this weekend.

....with Leigh in front at half time, but Halifax enjoying a stirring second half comeback, nicking it with 2-3 tries in the last ten minutes!

London would bring national credibility to a national game that has its only professional teams in a narrow corridor running between and around Manchester, Leeds and Hull. We need the London brand name to attract fans in north America and France.

If London could find a rich suitor to help out David Hughes, and if it could also get use of a football stadium, like Brentford or Charlton, then it will become more established and powerful.

I would like to see Lachlan Murdoch take a partial or even majority interest in London. With his money and influence London might then find a great non-Premier League football stadium to use. That development is not inconceivable.

London spent 4 years at Craven Cottage (Fulham), 4 years (in two stints) at The Valley (Charlton Athletic) and 5 years at Griffin Park (Brentford). Whilst they enjoyed a measure of success, and are doing well in the Championship this season, history shows that ground-sharing with football clubs didn't exactly make them either established or powerful. As for finding a rich suitor, then that would help (but certainly not guarantee!) any club in their quest for success.