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Quote: MattyB "All this talk of just Wigan makes me smile.


Lets not forget Wakefield, Halifax, St Helens, Hull FC, Bradford and now Salford.'"


Well it would you smile, wouldn't it.
They didn't slightly overspend on he cap, due to not quite budgeting their attendances.
What they did was to drive a bus through the cap and deliberately and blatantly cheat, to avoid relegation.
It wasn't remotely subtle, more like a two finger gesture to the sport and the governing body

Can you spot the difference icon_eek.gif

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Salford deliberately exceeded the cap with the use of additional contracts.
Wakefield, St Helens et al. accidentally exceeded the cap because of poor budgeting.
Wigan did not exceed the cap.

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Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "For all I know there could be a number of clubs doing the exact same thing'"


I'd be willing to bet my house that there are several clubs doing the exact same thing; the difference I guess is that they a) don't have an owner who gets drunk and mouths off about it on social media and b) they don't routinely get into disputes with players, thus removing their need to be complicit.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Well it would you smile, wouldn't it.
They didn't slightly overspend on he cap, due to not quite budgeting their attendances.
What they did was to drive a bus through the cap and deliberately and blatantly cheat, to avoid relegation.
It wasn't remotely subtle, more like a two finger gesture to the sport and the governing body

Can you spot the difference
Breaching the cap is breaching the cap. You can't be a "little bit" pregnant.

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Quote: Ovavoo "Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.'"


Yeah the side who finished bottom of the middle 8s last season should definitely have been promoted icon_lol.gif

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Quote: bren2k "I'd be willing to bet my house that there are several clubs doing the exact same thing; the difference I guess is that they a) don't have an owner who gets drunk and mouths off about it on social media and b) they don't routinely get into disputes with players, thus removing their need to be complicit.'"


everyone knows one big club who do it, and have for years. indeed keith senior mentioned it in his book.
it doesn't help that said clubs west Yorkshire based players boast about it

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Quote: Ovavoo "Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.'"


Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat? eusa_think.gif

Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?

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Quote: Ovavoo "Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.'"


Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat? eusa_think.gif

Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?

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Quote: CM Punk "Salford deliberately exceeded the cap with the use of additional contracts.
Wakefield, St Helens et al. accidentally exceeded the cap because of poor budgeting.
Wigan did not exceed the cap.'"



Yes Wigan did exceed the cap. See Yossarian's post a few pages ago with this linkhttp://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j%20...%20ague.sportrl

Read that report and tell me that what Salford are accused of was worse than that
Not defending my club cos I think they've been at best utterly inept and at worst, if proven, cheated and deserve punishment. But the idea it is worse than wigans isn't right in my view
As for the others, how do you prove that it was a genuine case of poor budgeting and not a deliberate over estimation of expected income?

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Quote: Willzay "Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat?
I did say "morally cheat".
Going an entire season in the fashion Wakefield did was morally reprehensible. Wakey keeping their place in SL was akin to that bloke dressing up as a woman to escape the Titanic.
So no taking the high ground.

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Quote: MattyB "Breaching the cap is breaching the cap. You can't be a "little bit" pregnant.'"


You could just imagine the judge asking the the other clubs did they have s3x and thereby became pregnant and them replying yes we did but it only lasted 2 minutes, whilst Wigan lasted 3 and half hours.

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Quote: Ovavoo "Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.'"


You are obviously not comfortable with Wigan’s antics a few seasons ago

But, why should Leigh have been promoted, when they neither, finished in the top 3 of “The Qualifiers” or made it to the MPG.
You should point the finger at the clowns that came up with the system and the RFL for implementing it.

Also, is there any difference in Wakefield (or anyone else) signing players to try and secure their SL status or, one of the top clubs bringing in a couple of overseas players to try and secure a league title.

As mentioned in my previous post, there is a world of difference in breaking the cap by a few grand, over the course of the season, due to getting lower attendances etc. than the antics of Wigan, who blatantly and deliberately brought in a superstar (Fielden) and also paid Radlinski posthumously or, a club that makes additional payments to players from a third party company as a way of getting round salary cap restrictions.

I hope that you can see the difference or perhaps you don’t want to ?

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SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club.

www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j ... ague.sport

SL 2014 & 2015. Marc Green (Bradford Bulls) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Salford Red Devils. Namely the signing of Tony Puletua. The RFL .........


You see a pattern here ?
SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club.

www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j ... ague.sport

SL 2014 & 2015. Marc Green (Bradford Bulls) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Salford Red Devils. Namely the signing of Tony Puletua. The RFL .........


You see a pattern here ?


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Quote: Tigerade "SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club'"


Well no because in 2006 we lost 2 points for a breach in 2005.

If your point is that points deductions should happen in the same season you still would've been relegated.

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