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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "The problem with France at the moment though is that the majority of the French squad comes from the Catalans. If we have internationals at the end of each season it means the Catalan players don't have much of a pre season, and it's inevitable that they'll breakdown. The start they had last season proves that.'"
good point, Giants had 3 players on international duty this time, but a shed load last time for the world cup and only half the team was there for pre season training last time
comes back to the club v country row again, what comes first! |
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| Quote: gutterfax "Big island Jessie's every man jack I them.....'"
You tell em lad. All this Sivi Tau nonsense.  |
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| Quote: brearley84 "good point, Giants had 3 players on international duty this time, but a shed load last time for the world cup and only half the team was there for pre season training last time
comes back to the club v country row again, what comes first!'"
A point I have been making about France for about 5 years |
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I just had a picture of gutterfax interrupting the Samoan haka to tell them they shouldn't be doing it cos they ain't 'real Samoans'. ![]()
Actually dribbled some coffee out of my mouth trying not to laugh!!
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| Quote: Him "I agree to a point with gutters in that a manufactured side like the current Samoa one isn't sustainable for international RL.
We should be concentrating on nations with domestic clubs & leagues that could, in time & with help, consistently produce their own players. The nations that spring to mind are Wales, France, PNG, Fiji, USA & Canada. '"
Population size, geography and infrastructure are massive hurdles to establishing a professional domestic league in the likes of Samoa and Fiji. Even then, the best of these players will be picked up by NRL clubs and end up leaving that competition, so how is that going to raise the standard? |
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Population size, geography and infrastructure are massive hurdles to establishing a professional domestic league in the likes of Samoa and Fiji. Even then, the best of these players will be picked up by NRL clubs and end up leaving that competition, so how is that going to raise the standard?'"
Because a domestic league by definition produces some players who are actually Samoan/Fijian etc. not the current situation where the vast majority of the Samoan team aren't Samoan. They're Aussies and Kiwis who, if Australia or NZ come calling will switch allegiance quicker than a Tory MP.
We aren't going to build a sustainable International sport by simply being happy with Aussie & Kiwi 2nd teams. It'll work for a short period but only a short period.
Build the domestic leagues, the international teams will follow. It doesn't work the other way round. |
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Quote: Him "Because a domestic league by definition produces some players who are actually Samoan/Fijian etc. not the current situation where the vast majority of the Samoan team aren't Samoan. They're Aussies and Kiwis who, if Australia or NZ come calling will switch allegiance quicker than a Tory MP.
We aren't going to build a sustainable International sport by simply being happy with Aussie & Kiwi 2nd teams. It'll work for a short period but only a short period.
Build the domestic leagues, the international teams will follow. It doesn't work the other way round.'"
The population of the Island nations just doesn't have the population to sustain domestic leagues which are of a standard above our own local amateur leagues.
Hull has a greater population than Samoa. Tonga is even smaller, with Fiji around 1m.
The only exception would be PNG, with a population of c7m, an NRL team could be a possibility in the future. The move to put the PNG Hunters into the Queensland Cup seems to have been a good one. They did well in the league and a player was signed by Penrith.
For these nations at the moment, it's about creating a pathway for their players to get to the top and increase their player pool for the national team.
Fiji are now looking to enter a side into the NSW Cup in 2016:
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-17/f ... up/5605662
Hopefully Tonga and Samoa can do similar in the coming seasons. |
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Quote: Him "Because a domestic league by definition produces some players who are actually Samoan/Fijian etc. not the current situation where the vast majority of the Samoan team aren't Samoan. They're Aussies and Kiwis who, if Australia or NZ come calling will switch allegiance quicker than a Tory MP.
We aren't going to build a sustainable International sport by simply being happy with Aussie & Kiwi 2nd teams. It'll work for a short period but only a short period.
Build the domestic leagues, the international teams will follow. It doesn't work the other way round.'"
The population of the Island nations just doesn't have the population to sustain domestic leagues which are of a standard above our own local amateur leagues.
Hull has a greater population than Samoa. Tonga is even smaller, with Fiji around 1m.
The only exception would be PNG, with a population of c7m, an NRL team could be a possibility in the future. The move to put the PNG Hunters into the Queensland Cup seems to have been a good one. They did well in the league and a player was signed by Penrith.
For these nations at the moment, it's about creating a pathway for their players to get to the top and increase their player pool for the national team.
Fiji are now looking to enter a side into the NSW Cup in 2016:
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-17/f ... up/5605662
Hopefully Tonga and Samoa can do similar in the coming seasons. | |
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "The population of the Island nations just doesn't have the population to sustain domestic leagues which are of a standard above our own local amateur leagues.'"
What is needed is help on the ground in these countries. Samoa, Tonga and Fiji list their national sport as Union, but it really wouldn't take much to get League on an even footing in these places.
rlMAP OF IRB CLAIMEDrl Participants globally......some of their supposed mid tier nations are ripe for the picking and the RLIF need to manage funding for them. Start with Tonga and Samoa......both have very poor Union infrastructure. |
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "The population of the Island nations just doesn't have the population to sustain domestic leagues which are of a standard above our own local amateur leagues.
Hull has a greater population than Samoa. Tonga is even smaller, with Fiji around 1m.
The only exception would be PNG, with a population of c7m, an NRL team could be a possibility in the future. The move to put the PNG Hunters into the Queensland Cup seems to have been a good one. They did well in the league and a player was signed by Penrith.
For these nations at the moment, it's about creating a pathway for their players to get to the top and increase their player pool for the national team.
Fiji are now looking to enter a side into the NSW Cup in 2016:
It doesn't really matter whether there are independent domestic leagues or teams in NRL comps but it will be the development of those domestic clubs that pushes national teams. It won't happen the other way around. Filling a national team with Aussies & Kiwis in the case of Samoa at this 4 Nations or with English in the case of Ireland at the last World Cup isn't sustainable and isn't healthy for the long term.
As I said, if in the short term it provides a competitive team then ok, but it shouldn't be at the expense of helping develop clubs & leagues. And you kind of get the impression that, on both sides of the world, when a nation like Samoa or Italy does pretty well that the powers that be think it's all ok and job done.
Whilst there has been some good work it still isn't supported by anywhere near enough time, priority given, or, crucially, money. The RLEF runs on just over £250k. The RLIF on around £3m. That's less than Leeds' commercial department.
Until international development is prioritised then only small, painful steps forward will be taken.
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If the teams like PNG and Fiji are allowed into the NSW and Queensland cups why can't we allow a Scottish/Welsh/Irish team to play in the Championship where only their nationals can play for them. Like people say it will help get nationals playing for them and they could then step up if good enough.
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| Quote: Him "Until international development is prioritised then only small, painful steps forward will be taken.'"
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Samoa being competitive this year is more of a statement about the depth of talent available in NZ/Australia. |
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