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| I agree, calling someone a f'king pussy isn't in the least homophobic, pretty low down on the scale of language in fact even with the addition of the blown kiss (which was a bit weak as it happens).
The RFL would need to be absolutely sure before making any decisions, on what has being shown it is not entirely clear as to what was said and unless they want to explode things further (doubtful) it may well end with a ticking off because the legal ramifications of any dubious evidence could impinge hugely on the sport as a whole.
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| It's not clear what he says from the video clip posted or to those who have the game recorded. If you state you 'know' he said 'Puff', you're a) lying, or b) allowing team or player bias to cloud your judgement, even subconciously. The same goes for those who 'know' he didn't say 'puff', but rather something else.
If the RFL feel an investigation is necessary, that's fine. An investigation is just that - they want to find out the truth of what's happened, and realistically there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure we all want to know the truth, and I'm sure the RFL have access to many more angles and recordings of the incident than we do, so it's hopeful they will find out the truth moreso than any of us guessing.
I am interested in how this came to their attention - a complaint from the referee or another player is understandable, but if it was people complaining on social media, whilst I'm not complaining about that exactly, I do wonder if it only counts for verbal abuse fans believe they saw, or if it could be anything in the frame of a game. How many times have we shouted that a tackle was high, or dangerous, that someone has committed a professional foul, yet the referee hasn't seen it? If we make enough threads about it on RLFans, or complain on Twitter, will that also lead to the player in question being 'under investigation'? I'd not being sarcastic, I genuinely wonder if this is something that would happen. If not, why?
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| so as swearing at other players is classed as foul and abusive language, should no action be taken by the referee can we, as fans, ask for it to be investigated?
or foul play? or anything we don't like?
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| Quote: Omar Little "I don't disagree with you. I have however seen other suggest blowing the kiss was in itself implicitly homophobic regardless of what was said (which is ridiculous).
I would like to know the context that Hardaker was responding to but I have neither the time nor the means of finding a video of the incident to try and deduce what Flanagan said. However, if the RFL are going to investigate they should feel obliged to do so. The original eagle eyed viewer sadly only provided an isolated clip.'"
Think it was Flanagan bending his leg right back, Hardaker effectively responding, "is that the best you can do?"
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| Quote: mark_m "..but you are claiming that just because you didn't see it therefore it didn't happen and no-one is correct apart from you?
Seems like plenty of others beg to differ.'"
it only says that if you can't read.
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| Quote: Les Norton "So, it appears that no complaint was made by a player, nor was it included on the Ref's match report. It seems the incident is being investigated after pressure from Social media.
A big well done everybody! Let's hope there's consistency shown from you all. Let's make sure we're all as keen on Thursday night during the Saints - Warrington game. Let trial by social media commence..... Who needs referees?'"
what does your lawyer say on the matter?
you know, the one that said he was ok last time and there was no case to answer?
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| Quote: Les Norton "So, it appears that no complaint was made by a player, nor was it included on the Ref's match report. It seems the incident is being investigated after pressure from Social media.
A big well done everybody! Let's hope there's consistency shown from you all. Let's make sure we're all as keen on Thursday night during the Saints - Warrington game. Let trial by social media commence..... Who needs referees?'"
Do you know for certain that no player reported it or that it wasn't in the ref's report?
Even if that was the case, the RFL review every game anyway so it could have been picked up then.
This suggestion that he is being investigated purely because of what has been said on the Internet is ridiculous.
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| If the RFL charge hardaker again Id like to see this dragged to the court of arbitration for sport. He has been subjected to trial by twitter and our clueless administrators have just jumped on a PC bandwagon. If he charged for calling a player thats just tried to injure him a prick the RFL will need to ban any player caught swearing in any game. No one would be able to put a team out within a fortnight.
The RFL have proved just how clueless they are tonight by clearing Liam Farrell of a shocking high late challenge.
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| Quote: salford1970 "I know the other thread is now locked but it seems the RFL may yet take action;
Why has Hardakers got his tongue out while Wellens is kissing his arm in the OP,s link.
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| Lol at the Leeds fans in this thread
Regards
King james
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| Quote: rhino phil "If the RFL charge hardaker again Id like to see this dragged to the court of arbitration for sport. He has been subjected to trial by twitter and our clueless administrators have just jumped on a PC bandwagon. If he charged for calling a player thats just tried to injure him a prick the RFL will need to ban any player caught swearing in any game. No one would be able to put a team out within a fortnight.
The RFL have proved just how clueless they are tonight by clearing Liam Farrell of a shocking high late challenge.'"
He's not being investigated for swearing or calling someone a pri**. He's being investigated if he made homophobic comments.
Leeds wouldn't have a case if they took it to court. He's not had a trial, so how is it trial by twitter? If he's charged by the RFL THEN he gets a trial.
Although I agree on Liam Farrell incident, no idea how he's escaped that.
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| Quote: Omar Little "This is fundamentally wrong (both in terms of the Law analogy and the RFL disciplinary, but especially in the former where it is a basic legal principle). Past behaviour can never be used to judge guilt.
It can be taken into account in sentencing *after* someone is found guilty.'"
You are talking about criminal proceedings which has already been proven otherwise.
I was talking about none criminal decision making, were similar fact evidence has been used for a long time.
I used to use it myself. But like I said this was not in a criminal setting.
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| It’s been a while since I visited this thread, I found it highly amusing on the night, but then it became a tad tedious.
To be honest I became bored of the pseudo disgust & blind loyalty. What next, the illegitimate lobby getting on someone’s back when some player’s called a B@std, or maybe the female genitalia crew being outraged.
However on revisiting, am I led to believe that some people are of the opinion that the ranting’s of certain posters on here are responsible for Hardaker being investigated
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "It’s been a while since I visited this thread, I found it highly amusing on the night, but then it became a tad tedious.
To be honest I became bored of the pseudo disgust & blind loyalty. What next, the illegitimate lobby getting on someone’s back when some player’s called a B@std, or maybe the female genitalia crew being outraged.
However on revisiting, am I led to believe that some people are of the opinion that the ranting’s of certain posters on here are responsible for Hardaker being investigated
Whether it's responsible or not isn't actually the key point.
Because I'm a Leeds fan, people dismiss me not being offended/shocked/disgusted at Hardaker's possible actions.
Couldn't be further from the truth. Truth is on this board you'll struggle to find many more individuals who are more supportive of gay rights than myself. This is a large part of the reason I find the overwhelming outrage and 'support' of gay rights so cringeworthy/laughable/insincere.
As someone who genuinely cares about gay rights it's frustrating to know deep down (even though people will deny it) that the very same posters on here who are full of condemnation for Hardaker for blowing a kiss and possibly saying puff will barely bat an eyelid/care when a story appears on the news or in the papers about gay marriage, gay hate crimes, gay adoption, etc. Real serious issues about what effects gay peoples lives in terms of being truly treated equal.
But the moment a RL player possibly says an inappropriate word, fans of rivals clubs jump over it like they've been the strongest supporter of gay rights that have ever lived.
If the people on here gave the same energy/anger/fight-for-justice approach to all homophobic causes then the fight against it would be so much better off........but seems the true concern is how it effects their RL clubs chances/knobbles a club they don't like chances in the playoffs.
And no that isn't just a "jealous of Leeds" post.
It's the truth no matter how much you try and tell us and yourself that it isn't.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "you'll struggle to find many more individuals who are more supportive of gay rights than myself. '"
...is that like "some of my friends are gay"?
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