Nope, I didn't know and like many others I didn't go because I thought it was still 5k and it's not the best place to go to when the capacity isn't restricted.

So who's at fault there, me or Trinity? I dare say they'll have lost a lot of potential revenue as there's no way the crowd would've been that low if people were aware. Leeds aren't exactly known for their small away following.

See there you go again, you can't stop yourself can you. The Saracens crowds certainly do not show Union as the bigger and more popular code and better run is debatable. Saracens crowds are well below Leeds & Wigan's for instance. That doesn't show it as bigger & more popular. As for better run, well there are plenty of problems at that level in RU including debates about P&R, salary cap, clubs getting into debt & youth development. Sound familiar? The Saracens Wembley games are very well organised, but that's a seperate team to the AP isn't it?

RL will never be fashionable, mainly because we are a northern sport.

Fair enough, as long as you removed MW from the previous year's average?





I could care less about other sports, be they other codes of rugby or tiddlywinks. I care about RL and despite all your agenda driven, stats twisting, bleating, it's pretty obvious to anyone with even half a brain that we're actually doing OK and once the dead wood's gone at the end of this year we'll be doing very well.

Really good article by James Gordon of loverugbyleague discussing some of the issues in this thread, amongst others, and how the RFL aren't really solving the "real" challenges that our sport faces. www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... blems.html

Really good article by James Gordon of loverugbyleague discussing some of the issues in this thread, amongst others, and how the RFL aren't really solving the "real" challenges that our sport faces. www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... blems.html

maybe fans are fed up of having to change/make plans for different gamedays every week as opposed to when it mainly 3pm on a Sunday unless you were a SKY game on Fri or Sat.

For instance the Giants will have played Friday 8pm, Saturday 3pm, Thursday 8pm, Saturday 3pm, Thursday 8pm, Friday 8pm, Thursday 8pm, Sunday 3pm, Saturday 3pm, in the last 2 months - We haven't had the same gameday twice in a row in that period, if fans have to arrange babysitters/travel/time off etc everytime it changes from 3pm Sunday then folk will just stop bothering !

The new structure really concerns me, to the point I don't even want to think about next year in case it spoils my love of the game. I think it will have no serious impact on attendances and will probably reduce some and increase others, but the complexity and bizarre nature of it all I think could have a massively negative impact on attendances in the medium to long term.

I think the opposite will happen, that it'll put people off in the short term but they'll get over that over a few seasons.
I'd also say it's no more complicated really than the NRL system and certainly of the NRL system when they were at 15 teams and used the McIntyre? playoff system.

Short term memory loss......sad in one so young.
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It's a very long river in Egypt......and you're in it.

Union is bigger......in that it is played by more people. Outside of NSW and Qlnd, League is an afterthought if it is even thought about. I know this will sit uncomfortably with some, but a fact it is, all the same.
Union is more popular.....as in it is watched by more people. No...not 4 Billion, but by a TV audience that actually includes more than 2 Australian States.
Union is better run......as in it is wealthier. The Irish RFU turns over more then the RFL......

I'm not sure how comforted you are by the fact that Wigan and Leeds have bigger crowds than Sarries.......is it the same when I mention Leicester Tigers of Harlequins?

League is the better game, but rather than address the issues the game faces and press ahead making it more popular, it's governing body in the NH reverts to short termist solutions whilst it's fans blame the Vichy government for crap attendances at Wakey.

a few seasons This is the RFL........they never stick with anything for "a few seasons". They were looking to bin Licencing 4 years into the "experiment". How long before the Championship club chairman realise they've been dealt a bum hand and have less chance of SL, so start whinging in Knock-Down Nigels ear again?

Another complete load of irrelevant rubbish.
The context was quite clearly domestic RL v domestic RU in England.
You said comparing Saracens crowds proved it was the bigger code.
They don't.

Regardless of which is the bigger code in the world or in England or just domestic comps in England. Saracens crowds don't prove that. Nor do they prove that the AP is better run than SL. Anyone who has even a slight interest in domestic RU in England will know of the issues they have. Very similar to RL's.

But you really can't help yourself can you?
Why not go back to halving RL's international crowds to keep yourself happy.