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| Quote: Mike87 "It's been in force for years, you the laughs on you.'"
all that has been in force for years was one player (10 years service) can have £50k of his salary not counted and a maxmum of another £50k not counted for players in ETS or knights.
Next year a proposal of every single club trained player will be subject to a maximum salary of £100k.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "I have no idea about man utd, I read, ahem skimmed, an article in the financial times about it, this is all I can remember! I shall concede to superior knowledge if needs be the case on the matter!
As for bringing in a marquee not affecting bringing youngsters through - I don't believe for a second clubs would "instead of" bringing 5/6 mediocre players through they'll bring in 1 marquee, it'll be 4/5 plus the marquee, who will as have the advantage of being undropable, regardless of who rises through the ranks. And it won't be 4/5 as the none fed trained quota is rising to 7 again (terrible idea) and that's without counting the numerous ways around it
Also, clubs have a finite amount of money (even Salford) - if they're choosing to spend 400k on a marquee signing, that money has to come out of the budget somewhere else! And given the previous history a lot of clubs have in this country, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it's young player retention!
Salford sign rangi chase on a 4 year contract, theo fages has to adopt a new position to compensate etc. (I know the arguments about this, he's not ready yet, it'll take the pressure off him etc etc etc, but this is the reality of it)'"
I can’t see why a marquee allowance would encourage a club to bring in an extra overseas player instead of simply a better one.
Personally I think the marquee allowance is wrongly thought out, along with a cap which is just a mess. But if they are sticking with this pathway then a marquee allowance isn’t just desirable it is necessary.
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| Quote: Mike87 "A certain Leeds player who I've know since school told me over half his salary doesn't count on the cap because he's an academy product.'"
Well either he's lying to you (rugby players are well known for making up bull to see what they can get the fans to believe)
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Leeds are doing some naughty things
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Said rugby player doesn't know how his cap value and salary is related
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Leeds are perfectly legitimate in their calculations the player is right, and some other method is being used. I couldn't say, I dint know what player it is to calculate.
None of that changes the fact, the home grown cap cap comes into force in 2015.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Well either he's lying to you (rugby players are well known for making up bull to see what they can get the fans to believe)
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Leeds are doing some naughty things
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Said rugby player doesn't know how his cap value and salary is related
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Leeds are perfectly legitimate in their calculations the player is right, and some other method is being used. I couldn't say, I dint know what player it is to calculate.
None of that changes the fact, the home grown cap cap comes into force in 2015.'"
He could be right...said player is a 10 year service player and on £99k....he is the player they have alloted the existing £50k against so more than half doesnt count against the cap.....figures can be made to say whatever you want them to....
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I can’t see why a marquee allowance would encourage a club to bring in an extra overseas player instead of simply a better one.
Personally I think the marquee allowance is wrongly thought out, along with a cap which is just a mess. But if they are sticking with this pathway then a marquee allowance isn’t just desirable it is necessary.'"
Maybe I'm just cynical towards super leagues recruitment process as a whole!
I agree, the cap needs a rethink. A lot of people claim that it was brought in to stop clubs going bust, but what it has done is show rank mismanagement on a business level at a lot of clubs. Until we can have confidence in the abilities of the business acumen across every club, I can't really see what can be done.
I want to see a rising cap, albeit slowly (I think £2m by 2020 should be an achievable aim) but I just don't have any such confidence in enough clubs to know that that's an option. And I would be happy to see a marquee ruling for our own players (as I said in my first post on this thread) but I just know that's not what it would be used for! How long until we see some abject, mediocre Aussie paraded as marquee should this rule go through? I am a big fan of the home grown cap cap and is a step I'm the right direction, but it comes with a lot of complications due to the shrinking youth development plan of the rfl.
When the new sky deal comes into place, the 12 super league clubs will each receive £2.1m according to the figures given in the review, I just hope it's used wisely, instead of flittered away chasing a middle aged sonny bill!
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| I'm all for this marquee player stuff in principle but will it work? Firstly, it will require a system where the player is demosntrably funded from somewhere other than already broke clubs funds. I don't mean by loans from rich backers but by funds given to the club - maybe as share capital. Secondly, if each club has a player on big wages then there will always be some team mates who think they deserve as much and that will either cause wage inflation, discontent in the dressing room, or cause a greater drift of players to other employers (eg Union clubs).
The marquee player thing is good from a marketing perspective - builds names in the game - which is good for their revenue earning capacity and for the clubs. But, it would require consistent funding otherwise those highlighted players will get picked off by higher bidding competitions / sports.
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| Quote: Mike87 "It's been in force for years, the laughs on you.'"
No, no it's not.
The laugh is very firmly on you for both not understanding the current rules or your allegation that without the rule Leeds would have been miles over the cap.
As I said, in each of the past 10 seasons Leeds have not spent the full cap. In some seasons up to as much as £200k under it.
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Maybe I'm just cynical towards super leagues recruitment process as a whole!
The problem with the home grown dispensation is that it entrenches the status quo to a crazy level.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "The problem with the home grown dispensation is that it entrenches the status quo to a crazy level.'"
We had 8 years of no relegation to encourage youth development, surely it's more rewarding those that followed the directive?
It will also help stop "cherry picking" as has been mentioned
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| Who cares about development etc.
The key words are British passport.
All SL clubs are guilty of letting the game in this country down and some championship clubs are not squeaky clean either.
Development is a dirty word in Pro rugby .
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| Think its a good idea, its only similar to how american sporting teams trade draft picks for players.
So if the Golden ticket could be traded for money and or players to teams who don't need the marquee player its a nice way for smaller teams to get money and or "cheap" squad memebers
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| The clubs have voted against any marquee exemption according to Koukash on twitter.
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| Clubs voted against marquee signing. Sanity prevails.
(Source: koukash's twitter)
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Clubs voted against marquee signing. Sanity prevails.
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Correction - Status quo prevails and a continuing slow sink into sporting irrelevance as our crowds decline and our best quality players seek more lucrative engagements elsewhere
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| Quote: BartonFlyer "Correction - Status quo prevails and a continuing slow sink into sporting irrelevance as our crowds decline and our best quality players seek more lucrative engagements elsewhere
A rule that benefits one club and one club alone doesn't get passed and it's the end of the world? Don't be so silly.
If you want Salford to be treated like a big club, learn proper cap management like the rest of the big clubs have - saints, Wigan and Leeds aren't even spending up to the cap this year (and I'd imagine Warrington too but I can't say for sure) - stop looking to cut corners chasing the top.
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