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Well before we get down about attendances. Leeds and Saints both up on their opening fixtures of last year and corresponding fixtures with the same opposition. So not all doom and gloom.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Well before we get down about attendances. Leeds and Saints both up on their opening fixtures of last year and corresponding fixtures with the same opposition. So not all doom and gloom.'"


saints v hull 2013 att 11257
saints v hull 2014 att 13448

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It's maybe enough to counter the London attendance, but not London and Wakey's ground restrictions.

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The 16,164 attendance for the Leeds V Warrington fixture was 4th highest out of 6 meetings during the franchised 14 team, top 8 play-off era.

Leeds V Warrington in 2014: 16,164
Leeds V Warrington in 2013: 15,059
Leeds V Warrington in 2012: 17,120
Leeds V Warrington in 2011: 17,276
Leeds V Warrington in 2010: 16,733
Leeds V Warrington in 2009: 13,386

The 13,448 attendance for the St Helens V Hull fixture was 3rd highest out of 6 meetings during the franchised 14 team, top 8 play-off era.

St Helens V Hull in 2014: 13,448 (Langtree Pk)
St Helens V Hull in 2013: 11,257 (Langtree Pk)
St Helens V Hull in 2012: 14,875 (Langtree Pk)
St Helens V Hull in 2011: 7,053 (Widnes)
St Helens V Hull in 2010: 12,142 (Knowsley Rd)
St Helens V Hull in 2009: 13,684 (Knowsley Rd)

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Quote: William Eve "The 16,164 attendance for the Leeds V Warrington fixture was 4th highest out of 6 meetings during the franchised 14 team, top 8 play-off era.

Leeds V Warrington in 2014

Looking at those figures, I'm a tiny bit disappointed with the saints attendance - I was hoping the Steve Prescott events might of been able to push us to challenge for a fixture record, but we were still no where near first season at langtree figures. That said it's still a good rise on the previous years!

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



So we've gone from comparing previous season's attendances to now comparing 6 years' worth.

Talk about constantly moving goal posts to suit agendas. You couldn't make this crap up icon_lol.gif

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[quote="Gotcha in 2016":12w08s93]McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.[/quote:12w08s93] :lol: :lol: :lol::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_11388.jpg



Leeds/Wire 7% increase on last season.
Saints/Hull 20% increase on last season.

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Where's the full listing so far? Come on William lift your game or are the attendances not depressing enough for you?

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Quote: loiner81 "So we've gone from comparing previous season's attendances to now comparing 6 years' worth.

Talk about constantly moving goal posts to suit agendas. You couldn't make this crap up
In fairness, he hasnt passed comment on them, just provided the information, we will now be entering a new ' era ' with very different ctriteria, so comparisons wont be as relevant until another 3-4 seasons have passed, effectively this season is a ' 1 off ' transition

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Quote: JB Down Under "Where's the full listing so far? Come on William lift your game or are the attendances not depressing enough for you?'"


I’m afraid he’s retired from being the official statistician this season, looks like he’s just going to put in the odd cameo appearance, however, the thread is still alive & kicking thanks to JonB95 – see OP.

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Quote: loiner81 "So we've gone from comparing previous season's attendances to now comparing 6 years' worth.

Talk about constantly moving goal posts to suit agendas. You couldn't make this crap up Not that anyone did that last year of course...

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Quote: JB Down Under "Where's the full listing so far? Come on William lift your game or are the attendances not depressing enough for you?'"

Not my attendance thread.

Original attendance thread was locked as a consequence of a resident Moonie overreaction to the Wigan/Hudds opener being over 17% down on the attendance last season.

I'm sure JonB95 will do an excellent job in taking over this season.

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Quote: RLBandit "Not that anyone did that last year of course...'"

Indeed.

For every SL round, I compared last season's SL attendances with every other season during the franchised 14 team, top 8 play-off era. How else would we all know that 2013 SL attendances were the lowest during that entire era?

Poor old Smokey's embarrassing claim that 2013 SL attendances would be the 2nd highest ever throughout RL history turned out to be comically misplaced, hence why he has allegedly blocked me (added me to his foe list) ever since.

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Quote: William Eve "The 16,164 attendance for the Leeds V Warrington fixture was 4th highest out of 6 meetings during the franchised 14 team, top 8 play-off era.

Leeds V Warrington in 2014

I note that you were happy to avoid historical context last year whilst crowds were down, but now you are suddenly far more interested in it since they are rising again.

I will be comparing to last year and last year alone. So far this weekend, 2 of 3 Super League crowds have shown an increase on the same fixture from last season, whilst the World Club Challenge crowd was the largest since the 2009 edition.

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Quote: JonB95 "I note that you were happy to avoid historical context last year whilst crowds were down, but now you are suddenly far more interested in it since they are rising again.'"

How did I avoid the historical context last year when I included the cumulative attendance totals at the end of each round for every SL season from 2009 onwards?

Quote: JonB95 "I will be comparing to last year and last year alone.'"

That's entirely up to you. If anyone would like further historical context applied to your more limited figures on any particular occasion, they may request them from me.

Quote: JonB95 "So far this weekend, 2 of 3 Super League crowds have shown an increase on the same fixture from last season'"

Which is usually the case in the early rounds as opening fixtures of the season are among the best attended.

Quote: JonB95 "whilst the World Club Challenge crowd was the largest since the 2009 edition.'"

Not sure what relevance an Australian attendance has to Super League attendances but a more like-for-like comparison between WCC attendances in Australia would note that today's attendance of 31,515 was 41.88% lower than the attendance for the Brisbane V Wigan WCC game in 1994 during the pre-SL era.

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