So the main thrust is: leave SL as it is. Can someone tell those running the SL clubs? After all, it's them who are bringing P&R back. What do they know? They're only running the show....... with their money.

Lack of P and R is only part of the reason I stopped attending RL matches, just got bored with it, I stopped enjoying it, but that doesnt mean I am no longer interested in the sport, I am however, less blinded by club loyalty than some others

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There are several who would make a good a go at it as some 30-50% of the current incumbents.

Fact is (as you've pointed out many times) SL is far from being 'super'.

To make the jump you need to be at least at the level that Widnes were in 2011 , they had just under 4,000 averages and had then attracted Steve O,Connor as a benefactor

There are no current Championship clubs at that level ,which would equate to the clubs you are reffering to ( apart from London of course ) in SL

Quite often Championship Clubs will base their potential SL income on overinflated numbers of away support, that isnt a viable business plan

Widnes are improving, but their attendances are poorer than I expected.

Hopefully, they will get to averaging 8k a season and make a real impact in SL this season.

My point exactly, it is nigh on impossible to build a fan base bouncing around the bottom of SL for a few years ,to be trapped into a licence needs long term substantial financial support, with relegation you do have a ' safety valve ' to prevent too much damage

Aye that safety valve of cutting income massively, destroying your squad, and cutting your attendance. That should prevent too much damage. Mainly because it pretty much destroys everything so there is that much left to damage.

But if they decided they didnt want it?

There are examples of it causing damage, and of it not, that like lots of things is down to individual clubs, pin everything on constant success and you are setting yourself up to struggle at some point

They would need to split from the RFL. Which they could do.
Realistically they don’t need to though, the big clubs are in a win/win situation. Bare minimum they get a few years of more big games for the next few years. If it works brilliant, if it doesn’t, Wood, RImmer and Co will be out on their s, the SL clubs can seize control of the RFL, and the smaller clubs will have fallen so far behind that when SL is cut to a ringfenced 10 no-one will complain. There is no downside, why do you think the message from everyone seems to be we don’t want this but it is happening?

Leigh 28 Wigan 36, att: 2988

Bulls 30 Hull FC 18 (24-0 HT)

30 - 0 until about 10 minutes to go and the Bulls threw in a number of younger lads which allowed Hull to get 3 quick consolation tries

North Wales Crusaders 10 Widnes 40

I'm not sure why the last three clowns have posted the friendly scores. This topic is for whinging about anything except friendlies.