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Quote: *1865* "What a tool, how is it possible to know what he [ishould[/i have done based on one good performance? If Widdop had played more with Sinfield would he have had the point to prove he did today? You're dealing in hypotheticals.

One thing I do know for sure, Sinfield performed today, on the biggest stage there is. Brough could only dream of being that capable.'"



If the biggest stage is World Cup finals then i think you will find that Brough and Sinfield will end their careers on the same score of ZERO

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Quote: Durham Giant "Other than playing in a RL development area and playing for Gateshead and Wallsend very little.

Living in a non RL area and having to work for a living as well as driving to Huddersfield for games home and away for 20 years has reduced options available for me.

SO i will give you credit for your contribution to the game which you will know doubt throw up now as otherwise you would not have asked the question. !'"


Yeah and I've every right to ask the question, my bug bare is with people who bang on like they do yet contribute nothing. And before you start, having an opinion is very different to your manner and that of others on this board.

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So we have mainly established that its Brough, he is like Lee Briers the man that would have beaten the Aussies 10 years ago but Waite/Noble could never see it.

Also I like the fact that we have brought up the number of times a poster has had sex this week as proof of teh validity of his argument.

I should have added at the start that when I made that post about Ratchford I was already on 4 for the week and was thinking of paying for a 5th tonight....

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Quote: Seth "Yeah and I've every right to ask the question, my bug bare is with people who bang on like they do yet contribute nothing. And before you start, having an opinion is very different to your manner and that of others on this board.'"



MY manner was very much informed by the reponses i received.

You will also note that every insult i have thrown has been a direct quote back at what others have said in their responses.

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Quote: Durham Giant "If the biggest stage is World Cup finals then i think you will find that Brough and Sinfield will end their careers on the same score of ZERO'"

So the biggest stage is only the World Cup final?

Broughy bottles it on the biggest stage SL has to offer, he'd be in meltdown in a game like today.

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Quote: Durham Giant "MY manner was very much informed by the reponses i received.

You will also note that every insult i have thrown has been a direct quote back at what others have said in their responses.'"

I was more referring to your manner with regards to England's perceived success and that of the tournament.

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Quote: Durham Giant "I asked questions throughout the thread which you chose to explore and then resorted to petty insults. You may notice that my insults mirror exactly those used against me. '"

So you didn't ask me any questions then? In what way did Steve McNamara insult you?

Quote: Durham Giant "I am not worked up about the game. I have been consistent before the WC started and was making to same points about the England coach when he was first appointed. and am making the same points now. '"

You were making, when Steve McNamara was appointed, the same points you are now? That'll be easy for you to prove then won't it. A quote from back then of you saying that he should be playing Sinfield & Widdop at half back along with the other points you've made will exist then will it?

Quote: Durham Giant "McBanana was not the right coach. '"

Grow up.


Quote: Durham Giant "Chase and Sinfield were not the half back combination ( i used to argue for Sinfield and Bough ) as had not seen enough of widdop. '"

So you've changed your mind since then?

Quote: Durham Giant "When it was clear Chase and Sinfield were not working why did he wait until the last game to bring Widdop in. '"

When was that clear exactly? How did this contribute to the disaster this World Cup has been?

Quote: Durham Giant " He was happy to make other changes after one or two games ie Charnley and Briscoe '"

Do you think changing a winger has more or less impact on a team than a halfback.
How did this contribute to the disaster this World Cup has been?

Quote: Durham Giant " Why did he pick 17 players and only play 16. '"

I don't know. Do you?
How did this contribute to the disaster this World Cup has been?

Quote: Durham Giant "Why was the selection of players so wrong ie Mossop and Tom Burgess '"

Why do you think the selection was "so wrong"? How did this contribute to the disaster this World Cup has been?

Quote: Durham Giant " Why was discipline so bad we lost several players. '"

How bad was discipline in the England squad? Do you know? Where you there?
How did this contribute to the disaster this World Cup has been?

Quote: Durham Giant "These are important questions that you and many seem to ignore. '"

You know why people ignore them? Because they're ridiculous when attempting to equate them to the World Cup being a disaster.

Quote: Durham Giant "All of these questions have been asked by many others as well '"

Have they? How many people?

Quote: Durham Giant "As for this WC being a disaster it is a combination of what it is and what it could have been.

Did it have a main sponsor. How many of the games were seen by the British Public. I would argue that many of the best games were only seen on a minority payable cable channel.

The above two are concerning FACTS. '"

No they aren't. Just because you type it in capital letters it doesn't make them facts. Especially as you don't even know the answer to the 2nd and you haven't said why the 1st is a problem.

Quote: Durham Giant "As for what it could have been i admit it is conjecture but reasoned.

IF England had got to the final it would have been headlines on the sports and probably main news all week. I think that would have been good for RL in this country beyond the M62.

If England had won the final it would have geberated publicity that exceeded anything that RL in this country had ever had.

England won the RU WC 10 years ago on THursday and that piece of commentary with Johhny Kicking the DG was all over the news. Engalnd winning the RLWC would have had the same efect.

Another game with England in on BBC would have got more people watching the game.

A full house for that England game at OT would have attracted sponsors nationally and locally. '"

Thanks for that. I think you're the only person who's ever thought that.
How does that turn the entire World Cup into a disaster?

Quote: Durham Giant "I will let you into a secret Sponsors like to be associated with teams that win things and are successful. Do you think England getting to the final and maybe winning would have improved Rl.s chances of sponsorship. '"

Again, thanks for that fascinating insight, except you're wrong. Sponsors like to be associated with teams that have lots of people watching them. Hence the sponsorship of football and international rugby union teams.

Quote: Durham Giant "Who is sponsoring SL next season ?

Would a WC win have helped ? '"

How does this relate to the World Cup being a disaster?

You've put nothing forward about why the World Cup, only the most obvious of obvious points that it would have been better had England won the World Cup.

Explain how the increased crowds, media attention and better performances have made this World Cup a disaster?
Can you explain that? Just give it a go?



Quote: Durham Giant "Maybe you can Explain your posts, in the current context. If you can't, then retract them or at least do what other posters do and disappear for a while.

At the moment you sound like a old man who's got so immune to RL failure that you cannot see the negatives because you are so used to accepting mediocrity that can't think straight and must avoid thinking about the issues and blame it on another poster who is so disappointed at an opportunity lost.'"

You see you don't get it. You made the assertion. It's up to you to back it up. No-one else. You.
Most other people can see the World Cup so far as a fantastic advert for rugby league that's finally got some national media exposure, along with improved performances from England.

Why can't you see that? Why is it such a disgrace to lose to New Zealand? Why has it turned the entire World Cup into a disaster?

Actually try and answer the questions to back up your point.

Or you could always lock the thread like you did when you embarrassed yourself on the Bradford sponsorship thread.

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McNamara did not consider Brough, Hock and Hardaker were sent home. Chase and McIlorum have gone home too.
Whether any of those players would have won us the game we will never know.

One thing that's firmly my opinion is that those England forwards today were the best I've ever seen, and I remember the 1962 GB team tha won the World Cup. They were very good, that outfit today were so good it was hard to believe it was an England pack.
We need to build on that, in the main it's a young squad with probably only Sinfield, Westwood and O'Loughlin too old for the next WC.
We now need a new breed of half back, Widdop will stay and two more are needed for further England Intls.

McNamara is the problem, His squad selection this last three years has been awful, England's performances have been very poor at time in the Exiles games.
Today was brilliant but once again we just fell short.
I don't know who, if anyone, we could say for certain had they been in the squad would have won us that game over those that were out there.

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Quote: *1865* "So the biggest stage is only the World Cup final?

Broughy bottles it on the biggest stage SL has to offer, he'd be in meltdown in a game like today.'"


Thats not really fair, I remember seeing a young Danny Brough only a year out of playing in NL2, in the Challenge Cup final and playing very well. I don't think Brough suffers from confidence issues or is likely to be daunted on the big occasion.

I think Brough is like where Briers was a few years back - a very talented player, that was inconsistent in the past but is shaking that out of his game.

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Danny Brough is 30, he's played in one CC final and guess who won the MOM on that day icon_wink.gif

Danny Brough has never played on the big stage where he has been the main playmaker and is unlikely to. What makes people think he would suddenly be able to step up when he never has when it's really counted.

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Quote: *1865* "So the biggest stage is only the World Cup final?

Broughy bottles it on the biggest stage SL has to offer, he'd be in meltdown in a game like today.'"


YOU WROTE

Quote: *1865* "Sinfield performed today, on the biggest stage there is'"
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Therefore it would seem reasonable to think that you thought a WC semi final is the biggest stage. I correctly pointed out that a WC final is a bigger stage than a WC semi final.
Ergo Brough and Sinfiels will have exactly the same amount of success on the biggest stage ie ZERO.

You are now talking about the SL do you think that is the biggest stage, bigger than the WC.

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Quote: christopher "Danny Brough is 30, he's played in one CC final and guess who won the MOM on that day
Yet if he played for Leeds he would probably have won loads of trophies and you would have been lauding him as the best thing since sliced bread !

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Brough has never performed on any stage, small or big.

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Quote: Durham Giant "YOU WROTE

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Therefore it would seem reasonable to think that you thought a WC semi final is the biggest stage. I correctly pointed out that a WC final is a bigger stage than a WC semi final.
Ergo Brough and Sinfiels will have exactly the same amount of success on the biggest stage ie ZERO.

You are now talking about the SL do you think that is the biggest stage, bigger than the WC.'"

I give up, you're just an idiot.

The fact that no one agrees with you should be a sign.

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Quote: Him "SNIP

Or you could always lock the thread like you did when you embarrassed yourself on the Bradford sponsorship thread.'"


If you can disprove my propositions or statements it is up to you to do it.

If The WC had a main sponsor and you tell me who it is then i am wrong.

If The BBC had the best games as opposed to those on Premier sports then i am wrong.

I am happy for the court of RL opinion to decide if England vs Ireland, France or Fiji were better than

Scotland vs Tonga or Italy or USA vs Cook islands or Tonga vs Cook islands Nz Vs Samoa etc .

I think you are mixing up your threads it was the One wher i was arguing with the Leeds fans rather than Bradford fans which i locked which i said at the time was a mistake as i was bored with it and it was going nowhere ( it was then reopened).

If you want to sprove my views on McBanana have been inconsistent then YOU look for the evidence.

You are a right lazy get. I produce facts and give my view now you do some work and disprove it if you can. ( hint you can go through all my posts and you want be able too ).

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