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New Zealand will be without winger Manu Vatuvei for Saturday's World Cup semi-final against England at Wembley.

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We have a great in form pack that needs the halves to move the team around, Widdop can do that far better than Chase who seems to get in the way most times.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Id go

Tomkins
Charnley Watkins Cudjoe Hall
Sinfield Widdop
Graham Roby Hill
Surgess Westwood
O’loughlin

Burrow
Ferres
Gurgess
Ablett

Mossop hasnt really offered anything in the comp so far, Farrell is too small to be in the pack against these Kiwi monsters

Ablett is a bit bigger and offers an offload and covers the 3/4's'"



I'd go with that as well, but I'm not sure about that Gurgess bloke on the bench.

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Quote: shinymcshine "New Zealand will be without winger Manu Vatuvei for Saturday's World Cup semi-final against England at Wembley.'"


Good News.Charnley will be happy!

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Losing Vatuvai is a massive loss for them, as it means their outside backs are far less dangerous. Which puts the focus on the forwards, where I think we'll grind them down. I think we have looked very fit, indeed the fittest team in the competition. We have sustained our efforts very well (leaving aside execution) and have finished every game strongly.
NZ remind me of Wigan under Maguire. Blitz the opposition, and end the game early as a contest. From bitter experience, on the few occasions plan A didn't work, plan B was rarely forthcoming.
There are some big lads in that Kiwi side, who have been in the cold north for a long time now. They won't be as fit as our lads, especially with the altitude benfits from SA.

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "Not Farrell. He offers little at this level. Ablett over Farrell every time. I think Mossop, like Farrell, is also fairly fortunate to have been selected for the squad, but I'd take him over Farrell if necessary because of his extra size. Farrell is one of those players who look good in SL because opposition defences aren't always very good, but just doesn't have the ability to perform to a good standard against an international-class defence.'"


Yes, Ablett is underrated, I'd be happy if Bellamy signed him for the might Storm.

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Quote: UllFC "But surely if the plan was to fool NZ we'd have still named Chase in the 19, as now they have 2 days to watch video's of Widopp instead.'"


Absolutely, if anyone knows Widdop's game it's Ivan Cleary, I bet he knows every Storm/ex-Storm player inside out. So they would have planned to play against both Chase and Widdop.

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Quote: Lingfield Warrior "
There are some big lads in that Kiwi side, who have been in the cold north for a long time now. They won't be as fit as our lads, especially with the altitude benfits from SA.'"


Didn't think we were there long enough to gain any altitude benefits and if we did they would certainly have worn off by now.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Except those of us who were told on Tuesday through contacts that both were in McNamara's bad books and wouldn't be playing in either the semi or final if England make it.'"


This has made you look like the most annoying person ever.
Either say what you have heard or don't say anything.

Did not see that coming.
Not sure what I think about this. Hopefully Widdop has been on too of his game in training and will go well.
Micky Mac had to be dropped. Everyone could see that.
Chase has not been great so hopefully this will prove to be the right decision.
Burrow given a stint in the halves with sinfield would not be a bad idea either.
Looking forward to this one.

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Ps.
Ablett in for Watkins.

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Farrell has not had a great deal of opportunity but he just doesn't have anything extra to give than a steady tackling stint. Mossop doesn't play to his size, so it has to be Ablett for the bench spot, though I would have gone for Turgess at the start of the tournament. Quite impressed otherwise.

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Incredible decision really, considering that it's a SEMI FINAL. That's what makes me believe that there is some truth in those rumours. Doesn't add up to me.

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I still reckon it comes down to the coach not liking what he's seen from Chase. No point trying the same thing again if you believe it will fail.

If brown had been in charge of GB, we'd have gone through 28 combinations at half till he found the right one.

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Assuming this is accurate it could explain it... t.co/tCLLc4AkWn

Oh, and Ablett ahead of Mossop and Farrel for me - size, versatility and experience
Assuming this is accurate it could explain it... t.co/tCLLc4AkWn

Oh, and Ablett ahead of Mossop and Farrel for me - size, versatility and experience


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Quote: Ganson's Optician "Well I don't think anyone saw that coming!'"


In fact I did - and suggested on here a few days ago that might be the coach's big surprise.

Chase can be good against weak opposition but in my opinion risky against better opposition (and especially NZ). Also his play in the last couple of matches was poor and I would strongly guess contradicted the coaches wishes. For those reasons I expected this.

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