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| Quote: FlexWheeler "Again, it's not a valid comparison because we are comparing results in one environment with a hypothetical environment which is different.
With the playoffs you have the usual suspects - wigan saints hull catalans leeds wigan huddersfield warrington. You have a clique of title contenders and then you have teams that know as long as they don't totally f*ck up they'll get a gig in the playoffs. With top 5 theres not enough room at that inn. This is going to massively increase the intensity of all those teams. I don't see how you can argue otherwise, and to use this seasons results and point totals to do so, when it's under a different format, is just nonsensical.
You then have the situation at the bottom. These teams obviously aren't very good, but if relegation is on the line you sure as hell won't get some of the surrenders these put up because deep down they know theres no serious consequences.'" thats just nonsense. There is still going to be teams winning and teams losing, and there will always be teams who are too far away from relegation and the play-offs (or dropping out of them)
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "thats just nonsense. There is still going to be teams winning and teams losing, and there will always be teams who are too far away from relegation and the play-offs (or dropping out of them)'"
You will probably get a few teams who fall between the cracks who won't get relegated and probably won't make the playoffs, but it will be much much better than what we currently have.
I don't really see how you can argue it will be nonsense. Everyone get's some form of comfrot zone taken away, this will only in increase the importance on weekly round games and a teams intensity.
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| Regards a one up one down promotion, I'd make it a playoff game of top Championship v bottom SL, two legs home and away aggregate score.
Have the the potential for promotion but make it a fight rather than a given.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "Again, it's not a valid comparison because we are comparing results in one environment with a hypothetical environment which is different.
With the playoffs you have the usual suspects - wigan saints hull catalans leeds wigan huddersfield warrington. You have a clique of title contenders and then you have teams that know as long as they don't totally f*ck up they'll get a gig in the playoffs. With top 5 theres not enough room at that inn. This is going to massively increase the intensity of all those teams. I don't see how you can argue otherwise, and to use this seasons results and point totals to do so, when it's under a different format, is just nonsensical.
You then have the situation at the bottom. These teams obviously aren't very good, but if relegation is on the line you sure as hell won't get some of the surrenders these put up because deep down they know theres no serious consequences.'"
The intensity has nothing to do with the league structure though! Games between the top sides in the comp are more intense because they have the ability required to play at a higher intensity. Improve the quality of the teams playing in the comp and you will see a rise in intensity. Look at how much Widnes, Catalans and to a less extent Wakey have improved over the last 2 or 3 years because they've had the stability to build a competitive side as well as getting themselves sorted off the field. In the current climate bringing back P & R gives clubs at the bottom no stability and in the long term will harm the over all quality of the competition because clubs will not have the time required to bridge the gap between being semi-pro and full time.
We should be concentrating on building a strong, competitive, stable and sustainable 14 team SL, The fact is towns like Leigh, Fev, Barrow, Hunslet, Swinton, and Batley simply don't have the population / fan base required for sustainable full time RL. IMO the RFL should be targeting clubs like Sheffield, Toulouse, Coventry, and York and working with them to help them create a solid infrastructure, and when they meet the necessary criteria bring them into SL.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "Regards a one up one down promotion, I'd make it a playoff game of top Championship v bottom SL, two legs home and away aggregate score.
Have the the potential for promotion but make it a fight rather than a given.'"
But little potential to see any club promoted, with a 2 game aggregate you'll get 1 in 10 part time beating full time if you are lucky
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| Quote: headhunter "The intensity will reduce because half the clubs will fill their squads with substandard overseas players and be unable to progress in any way due to investing everything to stave off the threat of relegation for another year. And of course one team will be cobbled together from scratch at short notice. We're on the verge of having a SL competition where every club has a legit change of not only making the play-offs but making an iimpact, and we're throwing it all away.'"
Intensity is not going to reduce. In principle I'm in favour of mergers, like merging Cas, Wakey, Featherstone and Huddersfield and calling them the West Yorkshire Ravens. Cas, Wakey, Fev and Hudds would play in an U18's and U20's league. Place London Broncos into the Championship and replace them with Toulouse. So that's 12 SL teams. 5 from Yorkshire and 5 from the West, the other two from France obviously.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "You will probably get a few teams who fall between the cracks who won't get relegated and probably won't make the playoffs, but it will be much much better than what we currently have.
I don't really see how you can argue it will be nonsense. Everyone get's some form of comfrot zone taken away, this will only in increase the importance on weekly round games and a teams intensity.'"
No they don't, the comfort zone isn't removed, it's just moved.
We have tried this before, there wasn't more intensity. The lower teams barely bother fielding a side againsth the bigger teams because the py know they will lose and don't want to risk not bring prepared for their relegation rivals, and the teams in the middle coast. We did this less than a decade ago, it didn't work.
We also have a competition where all games matter, where teams stand and fall entirely on their on-field merits, where however ramshackle or poorly run a club is it can get on a good winning run and face the big boys. It's called the challenge cup. It's not very well attended other than the final.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "Regards a one up one down promotion, I'd make it a playoff game of top Championship v bottom SL, two legs home and away aggregate score.
Have the the potential for promotion but make it a fight rather than a given.'"
I like your idea of having a two legged play-off, like I said before, it would surely make the Championship clubs more ambitious and some would try and build and develop squads that are capable of beating the bottom Super League team.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "The intensity has nothing to do with the league structure though! Games between the top sides in the comp are more intense because they have the ability required to play at a higher intensity. '"
This is not entirely true though is it? The top teams don't have to play at full throttle that often [ibecause[/i of the league structure. You still get poor error strewn games even involving these teams because they know in the long run what effect does it really have?
They can just thrash salford next week who don't give a sh*t about anything and they'll still be in a comfortable position in the league.
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| Quote: Starbug "But little potential to see any club promoted, with a 2 game aggregate you'll get 1 in 10 part time beating full time if you are lucky'"
ok a one off neutral game, SL teams do get beat occasionally, if the part timers can't do it, so be it but at least they can't moan that SL is a closed shop, it's just a shop with a very big burly bouncer on the door.
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| I know nothings certain in sport. But I can almost guaran damn tee that no championship club will beat an SL club over 2 legs.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "This is not entirely true though is it? The top teams don't have to play at full throttle that often [ibecause[/i of the league structure. You still get poor error strewn games even involving these teams because they know in the long run what effect does it really have?
They can just thrash salford next week who don't give a sh*t about anything and they'll still be in a comfortable position in the league.'"
You think under P+R Salford would be concentrating on beating Leeds or giving up on beating leeds and focussing on beating the teams around them?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You think under P+R Salford would be concentrating on beating Leeds or giving up on beating leeds and focussing on beating the teams around them?'"
I think they'd be scrapping for every point they could get.
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| A reduction in teams to 12 is disappointing, for me the season is already too short and the off season is too long. In a ideal world I would like to see a 18 team SL with P+R.
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| Quote: BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE "A reduction in teams to 12 is disappointing, for me the season is already too short and the off season is too long. In a ideal world I would like to see a 18 team SL with P+R.'"
Way too many games.
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