Thats an awful lot of vitriol , but still awfully amusing , keep up the the good work I think you could do better

What the hell are you talking about?? What does "potential but no" mean?
Unlike you I don't possess crystal balls but what are you basing this in depth analysis on exactly? Do you think HKR and Widnes will be in the top 6 (or do they have "potential"icon_wink.gif? Why don't we just get rid of Wakefield, Cas, Salford, London and Widnes and HKR and let the rest have a great time playing each other ad nauseam?
Salford are in a tough place at the moment but good luck to them. We should be looking to support and strengthen the heartlands clubs not be talking about kicking them out.

Obvious Troll thread.

Ironically, most have not bitten.

I agree with you TBH. I don't think London can realistically go on like this for much longer, but given the strategic importance ( not everyone agrees I know ) its the one club I'd would like to see 'central' help for...but only with a better team at the RFL in the first place, which isn't going to happen any time soon, so in other words, I have no idea what to do about it. As they [icurrently[/i stand, I think it's just about over the line where we'd be better without London...BUT that assumes nothing is done to sort their problems out...I'd still rather see something done to help them. Maybe a final ultimatum will sharpen minds. I don't know.

As this is a forum, I am entitled to an opinion. My depth analysis is the last 3-5 years where these clubs have not made much progress on the playing side. The idea is not to get rid of teams, but to make the competition more competitive of which 14 teams is not clearly working. Would you put a large wager on one of these four teams getting in the top 6 in the next 3 years? (Feel free to use my crystal ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Never fail to get a dig in do you, Wakefields travelling support is as as good as most, especially this side of the hill.

True Wigan probably wouldn't miss it but you would as we take 2-3000 to Leeds every time and that is roughly 40-60k and even Leeds can't afford to lose that. I don't think there is another poster on here who knows so little but thinks he knows so much about how the game works. Stop being such a ar*e.

so, maximum 60k......reality is about 30k a year.....from a minimum 4 million turn over.
....I repeat about 1% of a clubs turn over.........hardly a game changer and a smoke screen laid by COE'sand Chairmen who failed to deliver on promises they made

Maths notyour strong point then?

2nd,and 2 Play offs and a challenge cup final stands upas a better return than some current SL clubs.....


soikeother RL fans, you've found another excuse not to go to games....good for you.



how about 1.3 million a year from SKY in return for say 40k in revenue...not profit mind you,but revenue?

Which team is "full of second-rate journeymen Aussies?" Catalans? Are you refering to Scott Dureau, the Dream Team scrum half? Damien Blanch? Darryl Millard? Lopini Paea? Steve Menzies? Ian Henderson? Any club would love to have such "journeymen" in their squad.




London is full of Aussie journeymen, is it? Do you mean Craig Gower, the former Australian Test scrum half? Michael Robertson, the 2011 Manly Grand Final winning winger? Shane Rodney, the 2011 Manly Grand Final winning second rower? Chris Bailey?




How many fans do you think North Queensland brings to games in Sydney and Melbourne? have you heard anyone in Australia complain about that? No, it is only the parochial Little Northern Englanders who raise the issue of lack of away support against the expansion clubs. The NRL clubs do just fine without the travelling fans from Townsville.

Why do you think that Toulouse will be a weak expansion club? Because of the record of Catalans Dragons? Haven't you noticed that this is the third year in which Catalans are well into the top six performing clubs? Why should Toulouse be any different after 6 years? In fact Toulouse will have a much stronger financial base than Catalans, and a much bigger population base than Catalans, from which to recruit supporters and juniors.

There is no reason to doubt that Toulouse can become, like Catalans, a massive success story. I anticipate that Toulouse will be pulling in more home fans than Salford in its first year.

I simply don't care. I've never liked the idea of creating clubs and keeping them around in the name of expansion, especially when they're going backwards. There's no community tradition, no history, a poor and dwindling fan base and as far as I'm concerned other clubs suffer for the lack of travelling support.

Good that you're proud of having to bring in so many Aussies.


So build a strong Toulouse in a French league. Don't ask fans to fork out more money on 2 trips to France every season and put up with another lame atmosphere when the mighty Toulouse visit.

Oh, and this isn't the NRL. A comparison is irrelevant.

You stand a chance that for the first time in 18 years that London may finish in what would have been a relegation position...the previous 17, we haven't and are therefore deserving of being where we are.
If you are referring to our placement in the first Summer Superleague, then you are simply grasping at straws.

As for Tradition/Community.......we have both....it's just our tradition isn't 100 years old yet. Our community is doing fine.....why don't you google 2012 year 7 National RL Champions ............Howard of Effingham?

Fans are a concern for the owner, the management and the RFL....they are all to do with self appointed RL administrators like yourself who back up their assertions with nothing.
Here"s COLD HARD EVIDENCE to show your away fan theory is a myth.

HKR's Chairman claimed they needed 10k average to break even.....they achieved 7,786 last year. When we called last year, they got 6,713.....at 15 quid a ticket, we cost them 16,000 quid based on that average.........us aside, they fell 26,568 fans short...or 500,000 pounds.......but their Chairman goes on record and blames the expansion teams...because he knows the majority of his flatcapped supporters won't bother looking to deeply into the real problems at the club.

Feel free to repeat this at the other 11 english teams....the results are similar.

London Broncos RLFC have no debts.....there are very few of the 14 SL clubs that can currently say that....we play in a state of the art purpouse built Rugby Stadium.....again, one of a few and we have a youth set up that means we have the same amount of journeymen as most of the other teams in SL.

I am the first to slag off Londons owner, CEO and inept handling of the club by the RFL......but at least I back my assertions up with knowledge and fact.

Early on the sauce tonight Cronus

Your opinion of Championship 1 then this year would interest me greatly