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Quote: Richie "Back to revenue ideas
The risk you are running with that and the energy idea is diversifying into areas which aren’t. Our primary function is to be RL clubs, energy brokers and credit card companies are a completely different kettle of fish, there is always the danger that they don’t make money and become a further drag on the RL business.

A fairly simple option would be ‘full’ season tickets. If you are currently charging £300 for a season ticket then for £500 sell a full season ticket, includes all home games, away games, cup games, play-off games and finals.

Or to build on the internet pass idea you mentioned before, why not just restrict it to away fans? You buy a pass for the away games your club plays, and you get access to away games through that membership, or even the screening of away games through the away teams home ground. Charge £5 entry + beers and screen all away games in the supporters clubs?

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Memberships: ticketed, non ticketed, babies, pets you name it there are a dozen ways to fleece a fan!

www.broncos.com.au/site/_content ... source.pdf
Memberships: ticketed, non ticketed, babies, pets you name it there are a dozen ways to fleece a fan!

www.broncos.com.au/site/_content ... source.pdf


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Quote: SmokeyTA "The risk you are running with that and the energy idea is diversifying into areas which aren’t. Our primary function is to be RL clubs, energy brokers and credit card companies are a completely different kettle of fish, there is always the danger that they don’t make money and become a further drag on the RL business.

A fairly simple option would be ‘full’ season tickets. If you are currently charging £300 for a season ticket then for £500 sell a full season ticket, includes all home games, away games, cup games, play-off games and finals.

Or to build on the internet pass idea you mentioned before, why not just restrict it to away fans? You buy a pass for the away games your club plays, and you get access to away games through that membership, or even the screening of away games through the away teams home ground. Charge £5 entry + beers and screen all away games in the supporters clubs?'"


The credit card idea could be cut down in scope to be more along the lines of a membership card, but tie into the same benefits programme.

I don't think the energy deal idea would work, simply because there is rarely one single best such deal and that best deal will differ for every user.

Away games either screened in the ground, or shown in the "club bar/cafe/pub" could work, especially for those clubs further away from each other.

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Quote: JB Down Under "Memberships: ticketed, non ticketed, babies, pets you name it there are a dozen ways to fleece a fan!


Why do you see it as "fleecing" ?

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Quote: Richie "The credit card idea could be cut down in scope to be more along the lines of a membership card, but tie into the same benefits programme.

I don't think the energy deal idea would work, simply because there is rarely one single best such deal and that best deal will differ for every user.

Away games either screened in the ground, or shown in the "club bar/cafe/pub" could work, especially for those clubs further away from each other.'"



Away games screened in the home ground ???
With the exception of the Catalan away fixture, we should be trying to encourage fans to travel to the away fixtures as often as possible.
Wakefield started to run an away travel club last season which appeared to be very successful and certainly increased revenue for the club and
helped increase away support.

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some people arent going to go though.

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I understand the sign a star theory. But lets say Warrington signed Darren Lockyer in his hayday. Would it bring many more viewers?

The problem being how many people outside of RL know who Darren Lockyer is??

I could walk 4 houses down my road and ask people who is darren Lockyer and I would get nothing in return.

The only option would be to buy a union star, but it would have to be a successful has been. I could not even name 5 current England RU stars, my wife could not name one. I'm assuming someone like Toby flood is still playing and tuilangi someone? There I can think of 2. But the great masses do not really follow Union to a great extent, they just like the England team, whoever are playing.

That comes back to the watershed moment of the RU world cup in South Africa for me at that point following England RU became similar to watching England football, it did not matter whether you followed the sport but it became a spectical that you watched anyway.

So maybe not as a money making idea, but a profile raising idea we need to tie our sport to something in the national conciousness. So how about a May day 9's tournament at Wembley. It's a bit off the wall, but short games 10 - 15 mins long, no need to change halves.

Get every team playing their stars (especially backs). Lots of round robin games so speccies can't just turn up and watch their own team. The MM is a good concept but because it's full games speccies can come and go when their team plays.

When Union do a 7's tournement. Even after teams are knocked out, there are lower throphies, sheilds so teams keep playing.

I'd try to go for free to air TV, even Channel 5, 2 - 3 hours on TV. Lots of commercials, cheap tickets, but link it to the May day. Try to embed it into the conciousness that on May day we watch the 9's tournement even if we do not watch RL regularly.

It maybe pie in the sky but hey any idea is worth thinking about, even if it's not worth doing.

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Quote: bewareshadows "I understand the sign a star theory. But lets say Warrington signed Darren Lockyer in his hayday. Would it bring many more viewers?

The problem being how many people outside of RL know who Darren Lockyer is??

I could walk 4 houses down my road and ask people who is darren Lockyer and I would get nothing in return.

The only option would be to buy a union star, but it would have to be a successful has been. I could not even name 5 current England RU stars, my wife could not name one. I'm assuming someone like Toby flood is still playing and tuilangi someone? There I can think of 2. But the great masses do not really follow Union to a great extent, they just like the England team, whoever are playing.

That comes back to the watershed moment of the RU world cup in South Africa for me at that point following England RU became similar to watching England football, it did not matter whether you followed the sport but it became a spectical that you watched anyway.

So maybe not as a money making idea, but a profile raising idea we need to tie our sport to something in the national conciousness. So how about a May day 9's tournament at Wembley. It's a bit off the wall, but short games 10 - 15 mins long, no need to change halves.

Get every team playing their stars (especially backs). Lots of round robin games so speccies can't just turn up and watch their own team. The MM is a good concept but because it's full games speccies can come and go when their team plays.

When Union do a 7's tournement. Even after teams are knocked out, there are lower throphies, sheilds so teams keep playing.

I'd try to go for free to air TV, even Channel 5, 2 - 3 hours on TV. Lots of commercials, cheap tickets, but link it to the May day. Try to embed it into the conciousness that on May day we watch the 9's tournement even if we do not watch RL regularly.

It maybe pie in the sky but hey any idea is worth thinking about, even if it's not worth doing.'"

I don’t necessarily think that is the case. I remember the excitement and visibility around Leeds when they signed Ali Lauitiiti. I think there needs to be a balance between keeping wages manageable, stopping a team buying success, and being able to attract the best players.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "some people arent going to go though.'"


True, but the proportion would undoubtedly increase if there was a gathering at the "local" ground, which ultimately will affect the atmosphere at games.
Again, Catalan can be used as an example of very low away support (for good reason of course) and it does detract from the matchday experience.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "True, but the proportion would undoubtedly increase if there was a gathering at the "local" ground, which ultimately will affect the atmosphere at games.
Again, Catalan can be used as an example of very low away support (for good reason of course) and it does detract from the matchday experience.'"

Depends on what levels that is really doesn’t it. If 500 would stop going, but 1500 would watch at the ground, then we could make more money even with less going to the game.

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Quote: Richie "Why do you see it as "fleecing" ?'"


There is no tongue in cheek icon!
I think memberships are the way forward for SL. Most SL clubs have a higher season ticket % than NRL clubs, I reckon SL fans would embrace a membership model.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "That negativity will always be apparent. As you yourself prove. When the RFL haven’t actually done anything wrong, you will make something up to be negative about them. Even when they do something good you find a way to look negatively at it. That isn’t the RFL’s fault, licensings fault, or something the RFL can do something about. You have made the decision that because things aren’t exactly as you like, you will talk down the sport, you will talk down the RFL, and you will be negative about the game you pretend to love. That isn’t something the RFL can change, it is up to you to change it, it is up to you to decide to change your outlook and celebrate what is good about the game instead of looking for ways you can talk it down.

If you don’t want to change, then don’t. I just don’t see why you want to spend so much time and energy being negative about something which other people like, even if you have decided you don’t anymore.'"


Tell me what the RFL has done for the Championships that is and is seen as positive by the fans of those clubs?

I dont deny that it is me that has changed , much of my negativity is with the management of the club I supported

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Quote: Richie "It was there prior to licensing and prior to expansion.'"


I'd disagree, obviously there was anger ( not from me ) at Catalans inclusion in SL, but 9-10 years ago there was much more optimism in the lower tiers, much of that changed when the Celtic Crusaders came along and were blatantly fast tracked into SL , despite being completely unprepared, since then there is without doubt a slow decline in enthusiasm for the sport in general at all levels from Championship fans

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Quote: Clearwing "Are you sure? Trawling boards in the off season suggests to me there are a few more than that. FC fans seem enthused by an owner prepared to invest in some decent players, Wakey are most definitely on a high after their best season for some time, Bradford are glad to be alive, Wire recognise one small step and they're SL champs. Even Broncos seem upbeat. By way of a counterbalance, there are those mired in doom and gloom but wasn't it ever thus?'"


I meant more the general dissatisfaction and apathy with the play off system and the International game displayed by many SL fans, and the teams finishing near the bottom

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RL's strength was, and could be again, its strong and passionate local roots in Cumbria, Lancs and Yorks, a population greater than Wales, Ireland or Scotland. Parts of that population migrates for work but generally maintains its passions and roots. We simply maximise the opportunities from this low hanging fruit, anything else being a bonus.

A good example was the Utilities opportunity, something I firmly believe can generate significant income with a conversion creating up to £100 for Gas and Electric. Don't stop there, think about what your community uses - broadband/Phone packages, TV packages, supermarkets, mobile phones, cars, petrol/diesel, holidays, hotels, banks, credit cards etc

Lets say we have 150,000 families who watch local RL live, lets say they each sell the concept to 4 close family members/friends. 600,000 Utility conversions is £60 million for a start - now thats a far bigger goal than a Sky deal or a SL sponsorship at present.

The key to this success is: 1.unity - we don't have it 2.vision and passion from the top - we don't have it. Yet we have both available to us if we open our eyes.

In conclusion I wish these small world keyboard warriors would stop restricting our game via exclusion and that we understand the power and potential we have from our traditional core strenths before randomly pishing in the wind on the next hair brained scheme we think up.

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