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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
I am a fan of both League and Union and have attended 7's events including the Middlesex Sevens on a number of occasions. When Bradford and Wigan won the event it was very different to the IRB sevens events we have seen evolve over the last few years. The Middlesex Sevens was viewed by the top English clubs as a 'jolly' a charity event that only saw a few established players turn out to represent their clubs, the majority of players were squad players or youngsters. In this period it was the invited teams that took it more seriously. If you look at the history of winners in the years between Wigan winning in 96 and Bradford winning in 02 not one top flight English club won. The world sevens game has become massive and England have had some success.
Some of the League players mentioned could make a decent fist of sevens, Tomkins and Burrow leap to mind however, the game is just too quick for the likes of Hock, Langley or any of the League forwards mentioned. On the whole the League forwards are considerably more mobile and athletic than most union forwards however, most union forwards do not play sevens and the League forwards are no way as athletic and mobile as union backs.
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| Quote: blackfrost "I am a fan of both League and Union and have attended 7's events including the Middlesex Sevens on a number of occasions. When Bradford and Wigan won the event it was very different to the IRB sevens events we have seen evolve over the last few years. The Middlesex Sevens was viewed by the top English clubs as a 'jolly' a charity event that only saw a few established players turn out to represent their clubs, the majority of players were squad players or youngsters. In this period it was the invited teams that took it more seriously. If you look at the history of winners in the years between Wigan winning in 96 and Bradford winning in 02 not one top flight English club won. The world sevens game has become massive and England have had some success.
Some of the League players mentioned could make a decent fist of sevens, Tomkins and Burrow leap to mind however, the game is just too quick for the likes of Hock, Langley or any of the League forwards mentioned. On the whole the League forwards are considerably more mobile and athletic than most union forwards however, most union forwards do not play sevens and the League forwards are no way as athletic and mobile as union backs.'"
The current England 7's team contains 5 forwards over 16 stone. With subs, the larger forwards don't need to play longer than 7 minutes. I think they'd manage just fine. No-ones suggesting they'd walk it like Wigan did, but I don't see why these Union players are suddenly so much faster and more athletic, because I just don't see it when I watch either 15's or 7's.
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| I think an all league team would make a good fist of it but don't think they'd walk it like Wigan and Bradford did.
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| Quote: blackfrost ". The Middlesex Sevens was viewed by the top English clubs as a 'jolly' a charity event that only saw a few established players turn out to represent their clubs, the majority of players were squad players or youngsters. '"
So when union reports describe the Wasps team as "the core of the England Sevens team" they were in fact lying? Mmm. I can't remember the Wasps team, tbh, some Lewsey guy was in it but don't think he was ever up to much so I suppose they could be making it up. The Bulls final starting team included such luminaries as Feeley and Sewerby so I can see how the core of the England Sevens team would struggle against the likes of them
Bradford coasted to victory and were never really troubled. I am sorry I do not remember Feeley or Sewerby however, I do remember a few of the other Bulls players that were first teamers Paul, Pryce and Vaikona
come to mind. I am certainly not trying to diminish the Bulls victory by playing down the importance of the event however, I do feel you are slightly naive to think that the Bulls were playing in anything other than a semi competetive pre season event. The Middlesex sevens event had gone stale at this time and the Bulls were a breath of fresh air and if there would have been a full strengh GB or England team versus a full strengh Bulls team that would have been an interesting game to call.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Is that possible?
If anyone is a fan of Rugby League, it would surely be implausable that s/he would not see the Union game as anything but pretty dire, on the whole.'"
I played both union and league on and off for 25 plus years. Both league and union when I was younger and just union in my dotage (that tells you the differences between the two from a physical standpoint). I watch Super League live and English union internationals both home and away and know many other league fans who do also (travelling to Rome, Paris or Dublin may have a bearing on that though). I watch everything I can on the tv regarding both.
I see them as two totaly different sports offering different kinds of enjoyment. I take as much pleasure as watching a league player crashing through two tackles and offloading for a try as i do watching a rolling maul.
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| Quote: blackfrost " I take pleasure watching ... a rolling maul.'"
Can't say I'm with you on that one mate!
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| Is a rolling maul the one where fat blokes just push against each other?
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| Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "Is a rolling maul the one where fat blokes just push against each other?'"
I think your getting confused with Wednesday night at the Blue Oyster Bar.
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| Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "Is a rolling maul the one where fat blokes just push against each other?'"
It the big where the super athletic backs stand about bored. I have never been as bored on a rugby pitch as when I went from 2nd Row in RL to Centre in RU.
"It's the first time I've been cold for seven years. I was never cold playing rugby league." - Jonathan Davies.
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| Please tell me that this is a glorious return of Dutoni...
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Is that possible?
If anyone is a fan of Rugby League, it would surely be implausable that s/he would not see the Union game as anything but pretty dire, on the whole.'"
Data coming out from BBC and Sky would suggest it is far more common place than you think.
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| Quote: Dave Lister "Please tell me that this is a glorious return of Dutoni...'"
Bloody hell, there's a blast from the past.
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| What happened to that Dutoni?
I also seem to remember somebody who fought the rest of the world for hundreds of posts about what constitutes a forward pass. Is he still around?
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