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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Reckless and stupid is how I would describe Lee Smith kicking Finch in the face. It's also how I'd describe LMS kicking up into McIllorum's face last week. Interestingly these things are only an issue when a certain Wigan player is the culprit.'"

You do realise that when Smith kicked out, he did so because he had just been caught with a pretty poor swinging arm from Carmont, which to Smith would have been no different to a punch in the face and then done over in the tackle dont you?

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[quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap] [quote="NickyKiss":1th0f7ap]As a fan Wane makes you want to run through a brick wall so you can only imagine how he makes the players feel![/quote:1th0f7ap] [url=http://twitter.com/#!/theegw:1th0f7ap]@TheEGW[/url:1th0f7ap] [url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsnX1esHN2wkEC1FxcO2TCg:1th0f7ap]YouTube Channel[/url:1th0f7ap]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44920.png



Quote: SmokeyTA "You do realise that when Smith kicked out, he did so because he had just been caught with a pretty poor swinging arm from Carmont, which to Smith would have been no different to a punch in the face and then done over in the tackle dont you?'"

Oh well when you put it like that, kicking someone in the face who has done nothing seems perfectly reasonable. d040.gif

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Oh well when you put it like that, kicking someone in the face who has done nothing seems perfectly reasonable. Or taking a blow to the face, then having your face done over whilst prone on the floor is probably going to make you do everything you can to get out of that position, including using the leverage of your legs.

But no, you are right, we should definitely castigate the player who got punched in the face then a facial in the tackle for kicking a player he had no way of seeing, and not those who punched him or gave him a facial in the tackle.

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Reckless and stupid is how I would describe Lee Smith kicking Finch in the face. It's also how I'd describe LMS kicking up into McIllorum's face last week. Interestingly these things are only an issue when a certain Wigan player is the culprit.'"


Do Wigan players ever do anything wrong in your eyes?

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[quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap] [quote="NickyKiss":1th0f7ap]As a fan Wane makes you want to run through a brick wall so you can only imagine how he makes the players feel![/quote:1th0f7ap] [url=http://twitter.com/#!/theegw:1th0f7ap]@TheEGW[/url:1th0f7ap] [url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsnX1esHN2wkEC1FxcO2TCg:1th0f7ap]YouTube Channel[/url:1th0f7ap]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44920.png



Quote: SmokeyTA "Or taking a blow to the face, then having your face done over whilst prone on the floor is probably going to make you do everything you can to get out of that position, including using the leverage of your legs. '"

Kicking your legs into thin air offers no leverage, but even if we pretend for a second that it does, it's still the player's responsibility to do so safely. If it results in kicking another player in the face you have acted recklessly at best.

Quote: SmokeyTA "But no, you are right, we should definitely castigate the player who got punched in the face then a facial in the tackle for kicking a player he had no way of seeing, and not those who punched him or gave him a facial in the tackle.'"

Should we criticise players who kick other players in the face? Damn right we should! Stop making a fool of yourself! If you "have no idea" whose face is near your feet, you don't kick them!

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Kicking your legs into thin air offers no leverage, but even if we pretend for a second that it does, it's still the player's responsibility to do so safely. If it results in kicking another player in the face you have acted recklessly at best.'"
We dont need to pretend, the action Smith did was clearly an action which increased his leverage.

Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Should we criticise players who kick other players in the face? Damn right we should! Stop making a fool of yourself! If you "have no idea" whose face is near your feet, you don't kick them!'"
Or you dont punch people in the face then give them a facial cause it is likely to cause said player to lash out in self-protection. If you or your team-mate get caught then you dont really have a complaint. Also i didnt say he had no idea whose face is near is feet, im not sure why you have tried to attribute that quote to me, its probably because you know how much nonsense you are talking, i said he kicked somebody he had no way of seeing, the inference there being that he didnt know anyone was there, not that he knew someone was there but didnt know their identity. Your strawman is ridiculous.

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icon_lol.gif at Smokey.

Self-protection indeed. Cos players never take the odd crack to the noggin in the tackle, do they? Deary me.

Carry on, you're looking almost as desperate as your coach last night. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Cronus "icon_lol.gif at Smokey.

Self-protection indeed. Cos players never take the odd crack to the noggin in the tackle, do they? Deary me.

Carry on, you're looking almost as desperate as your coach last night. Sorry are you saying that players have no need to ever protect themselves because they take the odd crack to the noggin? What an odd thing to infer.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "We dont need to pretend, the action Smith did was clearly an action which increased his leverage.'"

Pretending for a moment that that's true, he did so recklessly in a way that could have caused a serious facial injury to another player. He didn't just kick out, he connect with another player's face!

Quote: SmokeyTA "Or you dont punch people in the face then give them a facial cause it is likely to cause said player to lash out in self-protection. '"

I thought he did it for leverage. Make your mind up with this fantasy and stick to it please.

Quote: SmokeyTA "If you or your team-mate get caught then you dont really have a complaint.'"

Hahahahahaha, if a player kicks you in the face you have every right to complain! icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Strange that all those criticising Tomkins for kicking out at JJB have mentioned nothing of Lee Smith kicking Finch in the face. Not to mention the Bailey headbutt and the countless other all-too-common -house tactics employed by a losing Leeds side.'"

Smith was on the end of high tackle and trying to get up was accidental, tomlins intentional kick that's the difference

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Sorry are you saying that players have no need to ever protect themselves because they take the odd crack to the noggin? What an odd thing to infer.'"

Yes you muppet. Players take all sorts of shots in the tackle and 99% don't kick out. Oh, and kicking out at a random player he couldn't see isn't protecting yourself.

Anyway, crack on, loving your desperation. icon_lol.gif

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Smokey can be a really good poster, but when it comes to do with Leeds his standards completely change.

Retaliation isn't excusable. It's understandable, but to make excuses for it (leverage being the worst one) is laughable at best and sad at worst. Tyson got sent off for retaliation last week and banned. A player punched him in the head for no reason. Lee Smith copped a reckless tackle (happens in contact sports) and a facial (which happens a lot). Both are against the rules and should be punished, but that doesn't mean he can take the law into his own hands and wreck less kick out at anyone.

You know this. Had it been any team but Leeds, you'd be saying the same thing. But you just can't bring yourself to criticise them when they're in the wrong (and before you say it, that doesn't mean Wigan were in the right). Discipline is a HUGE problem at the club. Making excuses will not fix the problem.

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Smokey is way too busy slagging off Tomkins rlHERErl to be worrying about Lee Smith's leverage issues icon_lol.gif

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Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "Oh well when you put it like that, kicking someone in the face who has done nothing seems perfectly reasonable.
Smith didnt know that at the time Kn*b all he knew was someone ie carmont had tried to rearrange his face, and oh what angels wigan are ffs.

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Quote: Cronus "Yes you muppet. Players take all sorts of shots in the tackle and 99% don't kick out. Oh, and kicking out at a random player he couldn't see isn't protecting yourself.

Anyway, crack on, loving your desperation.
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