Simon Grix has been out of this world for Warrington this year. 8 out of 1o each week. Massively underrated.

They don't, you just bore the ass of people.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it ain't mine.

Asgardian13 wrote:Your inferiority complex is showing. I have no hatred of Wigan - for instance I have no query with Sam Tomkins being selected for England and even agree that Joel is in with a shout for a spot in the forwards. I don't even 'hate' O'Loughlin - simply consider him a far more ordinary a player than do Wiganers.

You forgot to add the coaches from junior through to international level. Please excuse us if we DO find your view a little one-eyed.

Joel Tomkins could do some damage roaming about the place at 13. He runs great lines and if he gets in the clear as shown plenty of times he has the pace to do real damage.

If we want a grafter at 13- Heighington

If we want an attacking threat- J Tomkins

Joel has all the attributes of a good number 13. Strong (ask McGuire) plenty of pace and a decent tackler. It is not a bad call if it was club level. Not sure about doing it for 4 nations though (unless Tomkins has played there before in junior ranks).

Joels best period at Wigan (imo) was when he filled in for Lockers for few months due to injury. It was in 2008 IIRC.

sinfield has always been a much better player than o'thingymabob...... tonight was just another example of this.

people that think sean is a massive loss are deluded.

sinfield is a much better rugby player.... he always has been........ he reads the game so well..... great passer, tackler, kicker, captain,... wigan fans dont like to see it but sinfield is a much beter 13 than 'lockers'.

FACT

Lockers has made over 200 more tackles than Sinfield, scored 5 more tries, made more meters, more marker tackles, has fewer missed tackles and fewer errors.... all of that in one less game. O'loughling has also proved time and time again than he can make that killer pass and he makes the hard yards so well and puts in huge hits in defence hurting the opponent.

Sinfield is the better organiser and kicker. Sinfield is a brilliant player but he should play 9 IMO, not 13.

When was the last time these England coaches won anything? perhaps that suggests their views are not to be taken as an endorsement of OL,s quality?

As has been said before he is one of the dirtiest players in SL - a real head shot merchant who was ideally suited to Maguire's take on how RL should be played.

He also has fewer GF rings!! - stats can be made to say anything, fact is OL's record pales into insignificance when compared to Sinfields - end of.

Are you having a laugh? Not even playing loose forward for his club. Should not make the mistake of playing people out of position.

I wish people would stop saying it is a ‘fact’ that Sinfied is better than O’Loughlin or vice versa... they offer their teams differing but valuable elements to their game. Sinfield is the hub of the team, he bosses them around the park and he has all the skills. O’Loughlin on the other hand is more of a workrate forward but he can also step up and throw a try scoring cut out pass or set up a try with a quality short kick. He is also more hurtful and consistent in defence

If I was pressed on who was the better player I would say that Sinfield has been the better at Super league level as he has been so consistent in some very good Leeds teams. But internationally, I would go for O’Loughlin over Sinfield as I think his game is more suited to the tighter and more physical matches