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Quote: Bovrick "Don't get me doubting myself please, it was a while ago and I don't recall it being on TV....

I'm sure other fans would be happy to provide examples, I've heard King and Eastmond as examples, I'm not so sure to be quite frank as I wasn't there and not sure if they were confirmed.

It isn't new sadly, and I'd be glad if he is made an example of over this, could do him some good to know that the people off the pitch really should mean nothing to him when he is on it. But he really isn't the first to do this, maybe just the first to be stupid enough to be caught doing it in a final on the BBC.'"


There's certainly not been such a blatant example in a showcase event before...that should be reason enough for the RFL to make an example.

Oh and Eastmond was his own fans so a bit different!!

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The Eastmond incident wasn't televised to millions and I don't recall Smith making an offensive gesture. Probably a closer comparison (albeit a different sport) is the Rooney incident.

I truly thought Tomkins had put those negative aspects of his game behind him, and his performances were showing dividends. I thought he was humble in post match interviews where he had tore apart the opposition and was impressed with how he dealt with some of the rough stuff he was dished.

I was disturbed that, as a Saints fan, I was actually (and begrudgingly) starting to admire him.

So cheers Sam for redressing the balance!

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Quote: Omar Little "There's certainly not been such a blatant example in a showcase event before...that should be reason enough for the RFL to make an example.

Oh and Eastmond was his own fans so a bit different!!'"


On the first point I agree with you to be honest, really wouldn't appreciate it if it infected our game even more. If it ultimately costs us the Leader's shield* then so be it, he should be on the sidelines - but as long as any other incident is in the future too... sadly I can't trust that to happen at all.

On the second point - I'm sure you could argue Sam was doing it to his fans too... only a couple of months late icon_smile.gif

*EDIT: not that I think we'd fail to handle the Wire without him though!

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He could be in trouble for both the gesture and grabbing the referee's arm.

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Quote: Saddened! "No one is saying it's very serious. But the sport tries to present itself as a family sport and there is not really room in that for sticking the v up at the crowd.'"


Perhaps its time rl stopped trying to sell itself as a family sport then.
how do you feel about the mass brawl in the Aussie game today?, i thought it was awesome.

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Quote: Bull Mania "He could be in trouble for both the gesture and grabbing the referee's arm.'"


I didn't see that, but seen it mentioned on a couple of posts.

If that's true, it's more serious than the gesture. Isn't it a 3 game ban, minimum?

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Quote: Cragganmore Kid "I didn't see that, but seen it mentioned on a couple of posts.

If that's true, it's more serious than the gesture. Isn't it a 3 game ban, minimum?'"


Agreed.If he's touched or mouthed off to the ref then he should be punished accordingly.

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Quote: Fishsta "This is a good post.

If it wasn't for the fact many players have made gestures in the past (The Lee Smith and Ryan Bailey ones are the most recent I can think of, and the apparent Kyle Eastmond one as well), I'd want him to get a ban.

The problem with that is it destroys what I want most of all as a Rugby League fan... CONSISTENCY in discipline.'"


The Eastmond gesture was a minor thing and wasn't on TV with a million people watching the sports biggest showcase. As I mentioned above Tomkins should apologise, Wigan should fine him and the RFL should issue him a warning for his bad behaviour. All done tomorrow. Trouble is minimised, controversy over and line drawn under.

It will be interesting to see if any of the papers publishes a picture of the incident.

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Quote: Cragganmore Kid "I didn't see that, but seen it mentioned on a couple of posts.

If that's true, it's more serious than the gesture. Isn't it a 3 game ban, minimum?'"


Me neither - when was it? and why?

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Quote: Saddened! "The Eastmond gesture was a minor thing and wasn't on TV with a million people watching the sports biggest showcase. As I mentioned above Tomkins should apologise, Wigan should fine him and the RFL should issue him a warning for his bad behaviour. All done tomorrow. Trouble is minimised, controversy over and line drawn under.

It will be interesting to see if any of the papers publishes a picture of the incident.'"


Can't see him apologising - he's already deny it happened (guess he aint seen the video)... rl<link here>rl

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As I asked on another thread... what's worse, flicking a V in the general direction of fans who booed him in an international, going up to another player after a match you've just lost and grabbing them by the collar and threatening to headbutt them (Danny McGuire on Tommy today), or punching a fellow player in the face and breaking his eye socket (Cunningham on Stosic)?

The physical and unneccessary violence is, for me, worse than flicking a V, and the punishment should reflect that. After all, we all want consistency.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



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