Whatever fella!

No one else mentioned internationals but you, go ask the commentators what they thought of Ellis's performance against Manly, Sterling and Gould in particular spent lengthy periods waxing on about his QUALITY.

Go back to playing for or coaching the under 9s and keep kidding yourself that you know what you're talking about, I'm sure the under 9s lap up everything you say.

You mentioned internationals in your opening post, therefore you were the first person to allude to them. Your context is clear... [i"Good news for England, Ellis is crushing them down under"... "Gareth Ellis has absolutely mashed the Sea Eagles"... "he's right on his game now"... "If only big Sam can get a few games in before the end of the season we might have some fireworks in the 4Ns".[/i

Like Eddie & Stevo in the UK waxing lyrically about Super League on behalf of BSkyB, Gould & Sterling also work to an agenda to "big-up" the players and the product on show from their TV paymasters at Channel Nine. I still haven't forgotten Gould's comments during last years Tri Nations Final when he waxed lyrically about Australian dominance and the winning quality edge they have over the Kiwis, which in his opinion is due to their State of Origin experience. The Kiwis clearly forgot the script late on in that game

tim sheens commented on gareth's ability to read defensive plays at the very start of his wests career,which was fair enough.......but he changed his mind after 2weeks...and within a year tim sheens,the australia coach too,said gareth would be select for australia if he was australian...


but yeah he's just another average pom

You do know you'll never change Keith's mind, don't you?!

Ellis is doing very well down under. He is the type of player you certainly need in your team, but he is not a game breaker. He will do the same at International level as he does at NRL level, tackle hard and often, and carry solidly. That will not mean that we beat the Aussies or NZ's, we need to get more players up to the levels that Ellis and Burgess set, especially in the backline.

Ellis is one of the best tacklers in RL at the moment, even Keith knows that

i frequent certain australian RL forums.........and you go tell wests fans gareth ellis is'nt a game breaker...and i'll come and pick up the bits of your body after they've done with you

I'd be very suprised if any Wests Tigers fan (unless they are using the internet whilst on day release) would class Ellis as a gamebreaker. He is an excellent team player. You need players like Ellis, and you need players like Benji Marshall. You probably can't have one without the other infact. But having Gareth Ellis in your ide will not win you a game if your backs are vastly inferior to their opposite numbers, which England's clearly are when coming up against the Southern Hemishere teams.