Nope, that never happened.

Ahhhhhhhhhh right.

I hear you.

'it never happened'

I like your style.

I've spent many a year being the archetypical RL fan, looking at the crowd as much as I do the score. As a fan of a Championship club I've been in a lot of crowds around the 1-3,000 mark.

I thought it looked like about 1500. I might be wrong, and by a whole 100% but then again I might not be.

It's only embarrassing it if never happens and if this can be demonstrated. However, within the last year the CEO of Melbourne Storm admitted that the Storm used to do it and that he thinks a lot of other clubs do. There is motive as to why they would do it as an announcement of a crowd around 1500 would be embarrassing.

As others have said, if you have some sort of gift that enables you to work out accurate crowd numbers in such a way then you should be on TV.

After every Sky game we get people coming on here claiming that Crusaders are lying about their crowds and quite frankly it's pathetic, especially as most of these claims come from people who have more than likely never been to the Racecourse Ground. If this was a Wakefield or Halifax game, nobody would be claiming that they were lying. I don't know why people cannot accept that Crusaders do have fans - not a lot, but there are around 2,500 regulars and probably a couple of hundred casual fans at any one game. Slate them for the low crowd numbers by all means, but pretending that they are lying about attendances is just making the people doing so look desperate. I'm not suggesting that the poster I quoted has any sort of motive against Crusaders BTW, but they've had a crowd of around 1,500 for a televised Challenge Cup game and it looked nothing like the crowd last night.

It's not a gift, it's called eyes. I'm currently watching Halifax v Leigh, I'll use my eyes to make a prediction now. Based on prior knowledge of being in crowds, of knowing the capacity of the stadium and seeing that one stand is completely shut I'm going to say there are about 7-8,000 there. I may be a little out but I can tell you now it is nowhere near 3,500 or 15,000 which would be the same margin of error as I would have made last night.

Also bear in mind, if it is announced as about 7,000. Then there are only roughly twice as many as there were last night. In reality it is a lot lot more than double.



Where is your gift that makes you say that the crowd looked nothing like the one from last night?

Just been on the Wrexham forum and there are two Wrexham FC fans that state it doesn't look like more than 2,000 there. One who has been going the racecourse for 40 years said, 'If there are more than 2,000 there I'll eat my hat.'

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe people are commenting on it because it looked nothing like 3,055? I'd compare it to a Salford game (who do get criticised) when they have 3,000 at a game they still have a stand that is pretty full that faces the cameras. There was nowhere at the stadium that had a concentration of fans.

It is ridiculous to pretend the difference between 1500 and 3k is the same as the difference between 7.5k and 15k. It is much easier to tell the difference between 7.5k and 15k than it is 1.5k and 3k because the numbers are bigger. Similarly it is easier to tell the difference between 1m and 2m than it is the difference between 1000 and 2000.

What is ridiculous here is that your guess itself has a margin of error of 1k, pretty much the difference between 2 and 3k. You admit you cannot in an attendance of 7k be confident in a guess to a margin of error of 1k, but are confident in stating that despite seeing nothing but a camera angle, that an attendance of 3k is wrong because it is 1k away from what you think.

It looked like nothing. If anyone from watching the game on tv could ever have made any kind of accurate guess then they do have a gift. The camera never showed enough information. People are guessing, they are guessing in a way which fits their bias and goes against the actual evidence we have. For that, they are idiots.

You tell 'em Smokey - yer big girl's blouse



Up the Fax!! Half time in Blackpool. Great atmosphere here at Bloomfield Rd. Lovely day out and whatever anyone says about crowds and fans - it's wonderful to see Fax and Leigh fans mingling together and generally engaging in jolly banter.

Indeed, up the Fax. The Whinging from a certain quarter should Leigh qualify for and apply and not get in again would be unbearable.

That and I have money on Fax

You have proof it happened? I thought not, now STFU.

Hey don't worry Graeme.

'it never happened'

Makes leighs victory a lot sweeter

They covered the spread so its all ok, there is no need to worry.