Melbourne Storm number 6 to give you a clue.

australians don't get injured either............they are supermen

Yes they've done nothing at all, For starters burgess is 22 and he was so pumped up he played a prop for the NRL all stars but that was nothing to do with his rugby league ability it was because of the media. And Tim sheens I guy who knows nothing about RL and is influenced by the media was quoted saying Ellis was the best buy the club and has had and was also put in the inaugural team for 2 years in a row. He was also named Tigers player of the year 2 years in a row and nominated for the golden boot.

The achievements these two lads had achieved have not been because of the media or being pumped up by their clubs they have been quality when they have played in the NRL.

You clearly haven't watched these lads play, Ellis is coming towards the end of his career which is why he will become more injury prone, whilst burgess puts his body on the line for his team in every tackle and will attempt to smash anybody no matter how big they are.

You can post about these players when you actually watch Aussie RL.

sad thing is ronnie....jonesy is a aussie



he's like alot of aussies...he's that blinkered towards english players that he forgets theres people like carl webb,clinton toopi and until recently ryan tandy running around NRL robbing a living as RL players

Oh dear bad call by me then







Well I rate them, I watch Aussie rugby alot whenever its on the box and I think they are real players, I think they deserve the awards they get espicially Burgess,

Ah well you have your opinion, I have mine, guess thats whats a forums for I guess?

he's of the mindset that any "pom" that goes out there has to be extra,extra special or he won't make it...forgetting that theres some very poor aussies playing in the NRL..some even get origin jumpers like carl webb

and then they tell you that all the aussies in SL are all has beens...yet all of em would walk back into any NRL team..some even back into origin...

I doubt you could pick a squad of 25 English players and have them finish top 6 in NRL, that's how far behind we are sadly.Thing with Tomkins is he is rated as the best in the country, compared to the top 2 or 3 NRL fullbacks he isn't close, that is where the gap is.

Do you actually ever read what people post?. You seem intent on conflict rather than debate. Run along now, mummy's calling, your warm milk is ready.




How ironic.

But under Australian conditions and coaching they might be, and Tomkins would certainly improve if he lived long enough to get rid of his petty niggle.

I was in Australia at the time of the 4 nations and found the comments of the Aussie TV pundits interesting. They were initially very scathing re superleague, I think the term they used was "like watching park football". But after generally rubbishing English rugby and ripping most (but not all) of the players apart, they became constructive. Their main gripe seemed to be about our complete lack of understanding of defensive patterns and our inability to cope with an organised attack. The consensus seemed to be we should send 20 or 30 of our best youngsters to Aus to get some decent coaching. Problem is, we might not get them back.

I'm not talking about playing standards, I'm talking about attitudes

And by the way, I have been to Australia - it's that culturally backward that you would need a tardis to get to 1988

tim sheens said that about gareth ellis.....3week later he was eating his words

in fact jonesy mentioned the the fact that the NRL has cherry picked our players...gareth ellis was seen as abit of a gamble by the west fans... despite the fact he'd been named in the world 13 3 or 4 years on the trot




indeed...jack reed the english born brisbane has committed himself to QLD & australia...chances of him getting either jumper are very slim though

but hey ho it's his choice

Yes, I remember the comments.

In the 4 nations they picked out, for example, Ryan Atkins as a fine athlete who could tackle but had no positional awareness.

I seem to remember they rated Roby and Graham quite highly.