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| Quote: Chorlton RL "Ok, here's what I've been saying for a while;
We need more SL teams, we need a larger elite level talent pool, we need wider interest, we need a few expansion clubs to chug along, we need a good number of strong heatland clubs, we need a bit of a reduction on the number of matches, so...
Bring Fax up as well as Widnes, keep all SL clubs.
Two conferences, loosely based on Yorkshire and Lanc, of eight teams.
Each team plays everyone in their league home and away (14 matches), erveryone in the in the other conference once (four at home, four away - eight matches) and then one MM match.
So, that's 23 SL matches.
Play off series involves top four of each conference.
Less league matches means room for a three match representative series.
This does mean, however, that the WCC has to be played on a seperate date to MM'" It would have to be very loosely based on Yorks & Lancs, given one current SL team is French. |
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "It would have to be very loosely based on Yorks & Lancs, given one current SL team is French.'"
Wakey, Cas, Bradford, Fax, Leeds, Hull, Rovers, Catalans
Widnes, Salford, Saints, Wigan, Cru, Wire, Hudds, Quins
Alternate the conference that Quins and Catalans are in at the end of every season and after four seasons everyone will have played an equal amount of matches against them home and away. |
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| Quote: Chorlton RL "I can't believe someone set Starbug off about this issue again!! ![]()
There is nothing more frustrating than when somebody posts something without actually thinking if it can actually happen , or the simple consequences of it ?
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| Quote: Starbug "There is nothing more frustrating than when somebody posts something without actually thinking if it can actually happen/quote]
Aye, I know. You banging on about Leigh being in SL is one of them...
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| Quote: a.n Other "Do away with the Magic Weekend?'"
The point being you'd HAVE to for 15 teams to work.
People keep trying to make impossible or unfair structures to accommodate it with 15 teams but it won't work.
Personally, I'd have Round 4 of the CC seeded so it's 16 qualifiers vs 14 SL teams (& 2 more qualifiers), then have Round 5 (most likely all SL teams) at Millennium Stadium. |
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| Quote: meast "the last game would be huddersfield v brisbane ![]()
stop talking stupid martin... brisbane wont win the nrl
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| Quote: Big Graeme "
Well if you look back , you will see I havent been ever been doing that , I dont agree with franchising , but it is what we have , I dont want leigh to get a franchise as it would kill the club stone dead , we would end up exactly like Quins without david highes investement
What I want is either the reinstatement of P and R , or some proper investement both in money and intelligent thinking in the lower tiers , and not just money tipped into clubs for them to waste , but put into some proper marketing , and initiatives other than the NRC 9's and a french club excempt from relegation that cost £ 250 K a year
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "You heard it here first.'"
Really? Apart from it being accidentally published in a leading marketing magazine a couple of months back? |
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| Quote: Starbug "
I've been thinking lately about the caps and playing criteria placed on Championsip clubs and how they differ to SL caps. It seems a bit unfair for Championship clubs have a different set of rules to SL and means that Championship clubs will always be weaker than SL clubs while ever they're in place. It means you'll always have CC thrashings and the gap between the two divisions will always be vast, making promotion and relegation unviable.
I'd have thought the fairest way would be to have rules that stretch across all clubs in all three divisions. Each club has to have however many home grown players SL rules state. There is a max of three quota players (a quota player being someone who has no ties to anb RLEF registered country or has gone through one of the NRL youth system). The salary cap is £1.3m (whatever it is in SL), but clubs cannot spend over 50% of their turn over.
Obviously, SL clubs' access to bigger Sky and sponsorship deals means they will inevitably have an advantage over Championship clubs, but to be fair and not further restrict Championship clubs' potential anymore than will naturally happen, its makes sense to me to have rules that apply to all professional clubs.
Look at Widnes, they are reportedly one of the few clubs who make a profit (and a large one at that), whilst at the same time their attendances have dwindled because the on-field product has been up to scratch. If they have the financial capacity to spend over a million on salaries in order to increase interest and launch a realistic assault on the CC, what is wrong with that? Success and competition breeds sponsorship and TV deals.
What are your thoughts, Mr Bug??
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| Quote: Paul124897 "Really? Apart from it being accidentally published in a leading marketing magazine a couple of months back?'"
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| Quote: Chorlton RL "Ok, here's what I've been saying for a while;
We need more SL teams, we need a larger elite level talent pool, we need wider interest, we need a few expansion clubs to chug along, we need a good number of strong heatland clubs, we need a bit of a reduction on the number of matches, so...
Bring Fax up as well as Widnes, keep all SL clubs.
Two conferences, loosely based on Yorkshire and Lanc, of eight teams.
Each team plays everyone in their league home and away (14 matches), everyone in the in the other conference once (four at home, four away - eight matches) and then one MM match.
So, that's 23 SL matches.
Play off series involves top four of each conference.
Less league matches means room for a three match representative series.
This does mean, however, that the WCC has to be played on a seperate date to MM'"
The one bit I agree with is the fact that we need a larger elite talent pool, however, having that number of SL teams and claiming they will all be staffed by "elite players" is stretching credibility a bit unless the 'elite' player pool increases very quickly. |
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| Quote: Tricky2309 "A couple of points
1 and 2 are within the same answer. I put Bradford in at the end and forgot to change the 9 to 10. People often talk about Bradfords stadium like it is as bad as Cas and Wakey but it isn't. It has a whole end of the ground which is brand new and dedicated to hospitality. It has almost 6k seats which is more than a lot of other stadiums, The terracing is not crumbling away like most old grounds and it is a high capacity for the big games.
The 3rd one was controversial but you only have to look at the crowds last time they were in super league to notice they will do better than most current super league teams. The local derbies agains Wigan, Saints and especially Warrington will be pulling 9-10k maybe even sell-outs. Their away support has also always been superb from what I have seen. I bet they will be the best supported team at MM, yes because its their first game but it shows the fans are willing to travel.
As for being competitive, the chairman has already said they will be spending to the full cap. This will automatically make them a top 8 team as there is only around 6 or 7 teams who actually spend the full cap.
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| Quote: morleys_deckchair "There currently arent enough SL standard players to go round 14 teams.... adding another team and diluting this player pool even further will only lead to more one sided matches.
If we want the quality of the product to improve, SL should contain less teams not more..
12 would probably be the ideal number'"
Due to my quite extreme view of a large cut... I would have to agree with you.
My other point is that if the number of teams in super league was reduced then the salary cap in the championship should go up so it can get a lot closer to super league. |
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| Quote: Chorlton RL "
One minor, but fairly relevent point. You say Widnes have made a profit in the last financial year. Correct, however you conveniently forgot to mention that in previous years they've made huge losses and were also in administration and in serious danger of going bust not too long ago.
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Anyone with half a brain can see that reducing the number of teams in SL would shrink the player pool, not expand it.
For the hard of thinking, it goes like this.
For easy calculation, lets say there are 14 teams with 25 players each at the moment, giving 350 SL players. Remove 2 teams, and that number obviously shrinks to 300, with the 50 'lesser' players presumably ending up in the lower divisions.
This removes the opportunity for players who were borderline SL players to improve their game (if indeed they do stay with the game, and don't go to RU) and in doing so they eventually weaken SL and the European game in general as if/when those players are needed they won't be up to speed.
As for the original suggestion, it could work if MM was counted as a normal fixture for teams, with one team considering it their home game, and then with the WCC as a bonus game on top. Other than that, none starter.
And how many clubs would give up a home fixture during the season? I'll bet it's less than one...
Finally... Starbug... you don't like SL/Licensing. We get that. No, really, we've picked it up by now... but if LCRLC were granted a licence then I'd guarantee that within two years you'd have changed your tune. P&R is a luxury RL can't afford at the moment.
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