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| Quote: Eastbourne Warrior "That only works assuming the guy who passed the ball continues running at the same speed as when he passed it. If the bloke who passed it stops, is tackled or changes speed or direction then that theory would not work.'"
surely it does work? nowhere in the 'momentum' rule does it mention the relative velocities of other players being indicative of a forward pass.
regardless of how quickly a passer stops or changes direction after he has passed, if the guy catching the ball is in front of him then the ball must have traveled forward relative to the player who passed it.
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| Quote: vikingsmurf "surely it does work? nowhere in the 'momentum' rule does it mention the relative velocities of other players being indicative of a forward pass.
regardless of how quickly a passer stops or changes direction after he has passed, if the guy catching the ball is in front of him then the ball must have traveled forward relative to the player who passed it.'"
Someone has just posted a video which explains it better then i can.
Simply if a player is running at 10mph and passes a ball flat, the ball will still have that momentum of 10mph on it and will therefore end up in front of where it was passed.
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| which according to the rules is a forward pass isnt it?
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| Quote: vikingsmurf "which according to the rules is a forward pass isnt it?'"
No it's not. As i said watch the video from a couple of posts back.
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| Quote: Cronus "Because it's not that simple. It never ceases to amaze me that so many RL fans don't understand the forward pass rule. There is no 'momentum rule', but the momentum of the players has a lot to do with why the ball might actually travel forwards relative to the ground, or a static object. The ball only has to travel backwards relative to the players.
rlThis video explains it very well.rl'"
That’s a very informative and well presented video
Nowhere near a funny as when Stevo tries to explain it though!!
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| Quote: Saddened! "The touch judge officially responsible for 'missing' that should be struck off'"
That’s a very good idea – and also, any player that makes a mistake that costs his team a try can have their contract cancelled too, that’ll teach ‘em
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| Quote: Dunbar "That’s a very good idea – and also, any player that makes a mistake that costs his team a try can have their contract cancelled too, that’ll teach ‘em'"
We wouldn't lose anything if that touch judge wasn't even there. Are you seriously saying he just made a misjudgement of the direction of the pass?
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| Quote: Saddened! "We wouldn't lose anything if that touch judge wasn't even there. Are you seriously saying he just made a misjudgement of the direction of the pass?'"
We wouldn’t lose anything if we didn’t have officials at games?... well we would lose our game of course (or are you only suggesting we strike the officials off when they get the decisions wrong against St Helens or is it after every wrong decision)
As for your other point – I would say that he made an error in judgement yes, why, what’s your explanation?
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| Quote: vikingsmurf "surely it does work? nowhere in the 'momentum' rule does it mention the relative velocities of other players being indicative of a forward pass.
regardless of how quickly a passer stops or changes direction after he has passed, if the guy catching the ball is in front of him then the ball must have traveled forward relative to the player who passed it.'"
Watch it closely, some of the passes are thrown back and the most blatant, so called momentum passes are thrown forward as I see it. A pass thrown in front of the passers body is thrown forward surely? The one thrown above the players head does not go backwards either. Therefor a flat pass is a forward pass ,unless the rule has been changed since I played.
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| Quote: Dunbar "We wouldn’t lose anything if we didn’t have officials at games?... well we would lose our game of course (or are you only suggesting we strike the officials off when they get the decisions wrong against St Helens or is it after every wrong decision)
As for your other point – I would say that he made an error in judgement yes, why, what’s your explanation?'"
That he saw it and didn't have the bottle to stick his flag up. Touch judges do nothing in SL at the moment, especially if it's on Sky. They just leave it to the video ref rather than risk making a call themselves. You talk like it was a close one, it wasn't, it was horrendous. No one in the ground failed to see it bar those who should have done.
The officials in SL are terrible, there is simply no arguement against that.
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| Quote: Saddened! "That he saw it and didn't have the bottle to stick his flag up. Touch judges do nothing in SL at the moment, especially if it's on Sky. They just leave it to the video ref rather than risk making a call themselves. You talk like it was a close one, it wasn't, it was horrendous. No one in the ground failed to see it bar those who should have done.
The officials in SL are terrible, there is simply no arguement against that.'"
On the contrary, I thought it was a blatant forward pass which should have been pulled up
The linesman should have spotted it and made a bad mistake (sorry, I don’t subscribe to the lack of bottle argument as that would require either one of us to know the guy and his character which we don’t)
I would even agree that the guy should well be dropped from the next round if Cummings et al decide that is appropriate
What I don’t agree with (and the reason for my first post on this thread) is your assessment than he should be struck off. People make mistakes and if you strike an official off the list for making a mistake, we would have no sport to watch
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| not read much of this post, but I completely agree this year the touch judges seem to be missing even more forward passes (thats saying something)
I wrote to boots n all, im going to write to the rfl too
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| The on field officials these days rely to heavily on VT. How many times have you heard can you just check if there was an obstruction/crossing etc. Im sorry but thats the Refs bloody job to see that. the VT has made refs sloppy and complacent that they can defer the decision and pass the buck. This i believe has resulted over the years to non tv games be affected by poor standards of officiating.
We either cut the Use of VT back to just grounding to award a score or we give VT the full powers to run the game and use the monkey in the middle as a mouth piece
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