Your missing the point, I am not saying that it's a bad thing, just that it has the potential to be better and that's how I started in the discussion if playing in a 70k venue we should be looking at 50k minimum not 30k simple as that... so how do we do that?

If the RFL do rake it in then fair enough, but never seen any figures either way. It was originally used as another expansion tool so be interesting to know if that is still the purpose or not. Have been to Cardiff a few times for football finals and do think it's great so no need to convince me on that part

Your name calling is totally uncalled for. I’d like to think that our criticism (a fancy word for moaning to you) is just as constructive and valid as your defence of the weekend.

Most of the negatives on this thread are constructive criticism.

RL is a business, you can't do things to make people have a good time only. RU are streets ahead as they have a strategy for growth.

RL tries to spread the game by taking the game to Wales, very few Welsh turn up because the RU were playing or they didn't know about it. Pathetic. We don't have time to waste in half d efforts like this - If you're going to do something, do it right.

You think there is a gap between the respective salary caps of both codes now? Well think what it'll be like in 10, 15 years time if we carry on wasting time and resources. It's a scary thought.

What was interesting was the programme on SKY after the Hull derby was the IRB sevens , from ...... Las Vegas

Expansion indeed

RU is streets ahead because RU fans actually turn up and support events rather than sitting at home and complaining about how bad everything looks on TV. If this was an RU event it would have sold out, guaranteed,

Yes, if it were a RU event it would be sold out. Why? Because RU market their sport.

So how did RU clubs start to grow their crowds? Simple. They attract new fans, a few of the London clubs managed 60k plus in Twickers recently, they didn't just hold an event and the rah rahs turned up in numbers for the hell of it.

What do we do!? We make EXISTING fans travel 250 miles away and get about 4 new fans on board. Half a job. It's about time the RFL do things properly as time is running out to gain market share.

It’s these Victor Meldrew fans that have been the livelihood of the rugby league community for years. They’ll be so many people turning in their graves if they read what you’ve just put.

I’ll tell you what the RFL are doing. They are pricing rugby league out of areas where it’s traditionally popular and opting for areas that rugby league has no business in going to. Super League started without a single Hull side and look at how popular rugby league is in Hull today. The fact is people want to watch things on their doorstep. They don’t want to travel to Cardiff or anywhere else for that matter for a game that should be played nearby.

I'd disagree , RU fans do just tend to turn up , they do so because they are not that concerned about the quality of the product on offer or the result , both of those are forgotten about a nano second after the final whistle , the main part is just being at the event and enjoying it , RL fans tend to be a bit different , we also tend to like getting value for money , RU fans have enough money not to be as bothered

Nobody's making anyone do anything. The RFL made money from hosting an event, and the people who did go enjoyed themselves. If you see that as such a negative then I'd hate to be you.

' No business in going to ' ? , if you are going to have a 7 match festival in February , you don't have much option really

As for the cost , once again , that is just an option that people have to make a decision on

I'd agree but in the main that's because they now have a stronger brand and offer an 'exclusive and the place to be' event for them, this in itself is a clever marketing PR excercise.

Their international game goes one step further in that tickets are more scarce so people have a higher percieved value on the event ensuring impulse buying. The RFL tries this all the time - only everyone knows there is loads of tickets still available so what's the point.

Absolutely totally agree with you - dont blame the RFL blame the people who choose not to come as :

1, its too expensive - rubbish, it cost me and my 15 year old less than £20 between us for 4 games - what other event offers that kind of value.

2, its too far away - it is if you only go down to watch your own team then bugger off home, which , as a fan of RL in general i will never understand - you've paid for 4 (or 3) games so watch them. if you book a cheap hotel or guest house you can have a great weekend away.

3, wrong time of year - when is the right time of year then cos even in May people complained !

To me having this in the heartlands takes away a huge part of the MM experience. we see the same towns/cities week in week out , going to somewhere like Cardiff gives people a day/weekend out that they can look forward to rather than treking back down the M62 like they will do regularly anyway.
in my opinion it is a wonderful event and to remove it from the calendar or move it to the heartlands would be a huge mistake as it takes away that little bit of something different where every fan of every club can have a 'day out' .

Yes Id agree , but it is RU international aspect that has built this brand and place to be mentality , we quite simply don't have it , and I doubt we ever will , the same concept applies to lower tier pro RL , our brands ( although known about by the people of our towns ) has little value

Will it ever change ? Perhaps , in a few decades if we are lucky , not be a problem for me though