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| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "I still cant understand why the old Lancs v Yorks thing never caught on.
2 of the biggest rivalries in UK sport... certainly at county level
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It just isn't though.
People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.
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| Its obvious England need a different test at this stage than Wales and France offer mid season.
Yorks V lancs doesnt work. There no point flogging this horse.
I think a 1 or two game series against an Other Nationalities side would be more than useful until the next world cup.
Then i would have 1 england v ON game and rotate England v France & England V wales on an annual basis as a second game.
The problem with other nationalities is the desire to play for the shirt.
Perhaps the way to work an other nationalities team is to make one of the SL"foreign players" captain for the whole year and have some sort of fundraising element to the concept throughout the year, with other events as well as the games against England.
Also the ON captain picks the squad and the coaching team for the games. Its his team and you get picked by him so don't let him down.
Potential candidates throw their hat into the ring each year & The captain is voted for each year by the eligible players in SL at the same time they cast their man of steel votes and the announcement is made at the end of season dinner.
I`d keep the Other Nationalities tag but they certainly need a brand nickname & keep the green shirts.
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| perhaps the Other nationalities team could be picked via a fans vote.....is'nt that how the NRL allstars team is picked?
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| Quote: Catalancs "Scrap Magic Weekend and the France mid season international. England vs Other Nationalities two game series to replace them. One game in Lancashire and one in Yorkshire.
Playoffs to be reduced to the top six teams.'"
My idea as well unfortunately we'll never see it happen. The clubs will be just too selfish to drop League games (and income) or find excuses to not release players for such intense games.
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| Quote: JonM "It just isn't though.
People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.'"
I didnt know that
I was talking to a bloke during the last Ashes series in Australia who was from Leeds and he said he hated people from Lancashire with a passion
Maybe it's different in Cricket
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| Quote: JonM "It just isn't though.
People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.'"
Maybe its because most scousers now see themselves as coming from Merseyside rather than Lancashire?
Go to Manchester and ask the same question and you'll get a different answer.
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| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "I didnt know that
I was talking to a bloke during the last Ashes series in Australia who was from Leeds and he said he hated people from Lancashire with a passion
Maybe it's different in Cricket'"
It's a match-up with a bit more history in cricket, certainly - but also due to them being the only two county clubs in the north for best part of 100 years. With Cricket, the powerbase historically has been the mill towns which are a lot closer to Yorkshire.
You can get one-sided rivalries. In soccer, Leeds Utd fans tend to see Man Utd as their main rivals, but are pretty much off the radar for Man Utd fans - with 8 premier league clubs in Lancashire and none in Yorkshire, it's not surprising. Yorkshiremen tend to support other Yorkshire clubs if their own team is not involved, but someone from Liverpool would support pretty much any team in the world playing against Man City or Man Utd and expect to have the same treatment from Manchester fans when they play.
Devon v Cornwall is way more keenly felt than any other county rivalry.
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| Quote: roughyedspud "i'm bored....
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Needs a big black chevron through it for the Kiwi's
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "I think it's about time we had a mid-season international window myself. If the Aussies wanna stick to SOO let them do that and the rest of the RL World can play internationals.
New South Wales vs Queensland
New Zealand vs PNG
Tonga vs Samoa
Fiji vs Cook Islands
England vs SL ANZACs
Wales vs France
Scotland vs Ireland'"
I like the idea of the mid season window with the end of season internationals. Get some consistency going, whatever it is.I would like a more organised approach to rugby in both hemispheres.
In addition, to kick off the new season there could be an All Stars weekend, since they are starting to push that there:
NRL All Stars vs Indigenous All Stars
SL All Stars vs Great Britain
In which the SL Team is selected from an online vote, but the French captain and Vice Captain get automatically selected (providing they are in SL).
And then the mid season representitive games I would like to see as follows:
Queensland vs New South Wales
New Zealand vs Pacific Island XIII (Fiji/Tonga/Samoa/PNG/CI)
with either
Wales vs France
Scotland vs Ireland
England vs Other Nations
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Wales vs France vs Lancashire/West vs Yorkshire/East
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| Quote: JonM "It just isn't though.
People in "Lancashire" see Liverpool vs Manchester as a big rivalry; on Merseyside, you'd be easily able to drum up some interest in a scousers vs woolybacks game. I've never heard anyone express a desire to beat Yorkshire at all costs, or any other expression of keenly felt rivalry.'"
Speak for yourself .... I hate Yorkshire.
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| Quote: Barry_McKenzie "I didnt know that
I was talking to a bloke during the last Ashes series in Australia who was from Leeds and he said he hated people from Lancashire with a passion
Maybe it's different in Cricket'"
He was confusing Hate, with Jealousy
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| Quote: JonM "You can get one-sided rivalries. In soccer, Leeds Utd fans tend to see Man Utd as their main rivals, but are pretty much off the radar for Man Utd fans - with 8 premier league clubs in Lancashire and none in Yorkshire, it's not surprising. Yorkshiremen tend to support other Yorkshire clubs if their own team is not involved, but someone from Liverpool would support pretty much any team in the world playing against Man City or Man Utd and expect to have the same treatment from Manchester fans when they play.'"
I can gurantee Leeds are more 'on the radar' than all of the Lancashire clubs but possibly one, to think that the Leeds/Man U rivalry is one way is very naive.
Also most of the Liverpool fans I know quite like Man City (your enemies enemy is your friend and all that).
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| Quote: JonM "It's a match-up with a bit more history in cricket, certainly - but also due to them being the only two county clubs in the north for best part of 100 years. With Cricket, the powerbase historically has been the mill towns which are a lot closer to Yorkshire.
You can get one-sided rivalries. In soccer, Leeds Utd fans tend to see Man Utd as their main rivals, but are pretty much off the radar for Man Utd fans - with 8 premier league clubs in Lancashire and none in Yorkshire, it's not surprising. Yorkshiremen tend to support other Yorkshire clubs if their own team is not involved, but someone from Liverpool would support pretty much any team in the world playing against Man City or Man Utd and expect to have the same treatment from Manchester fans when they play.
Devon v Cornwall is way more keenly felt than any other county rivalry.'"
None of this is true.
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14417.gif OLDHAM RLFC
RUGBY LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP
WINNERS: 1904-05 1909-10, 1910-11, 1956-57
Runners Up: 1906-07, 1907-08, 1908-09, 1921-22, 1954-55
FIRST DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1904-05
RUGBY LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP
WINNERS: 1899, 1925, 1927
Runners Up: 1907, 1912, 1924, 1926
LANCASHIRE CUP
WINNERS: 1906–07, 1909–10, 1912–13, 1918–19, 1923–24, 1932–33, 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58
Runners Up: 1897–98, 1900–01, 1907–08, 1909–10, 1921–22, 1956–57, 1957–58
LANCASHIRE LEAGUE
CHAMPIONS: 1897-98, 1900-01, 1907-08, 1909-10, 1921-22, 1956-57, 1957-58
Runners Up: 1895-96, 1896-97, 1898-99, 1899-1900, 1908-09, 1910-11, 1911-12, 1923-24, 1954-55
SECOND DIVISION
CHAMPIONS: 1963-64, 1981-82, 1987-88
SECOND / DIVISIONAL PREMIERSHIP
WINNERS: 1988, 1990
Runners Up: 1992
NORTHERN FORD PREMERSHIP
Runners up : 2001
NATIONAL LEAGUE TWO/CHAMPIONSHIP 1
Play off final runners up: 2007,2008,2009,2010:14417.gif |
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| Quote: Ant80 "Needs a big black chevron through it for the Kiwi's'"
the original other nationalities jersey was green
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