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Quote: Traffic "Good argument apart from the fact you don't ask how many of the 6124 for the home game against Catalans were away fans also.
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Just to follow that up a) Hull took nowhere near 3k, Hudds didn't take 1500 either, chalk a third off each one and you might be close.

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icon_smile.gif Terrible crowd for a very important televised Cup game. Sheffield got 1200 for a normal league game the week before.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Back to the OP , yes it was a poor crowd , I'm sure the management at Widnes were dissapointed with it , but unfortunatley it seems to be the norm for cup matches were everybody pays , especially televised ones

As has been pointed out earlier , the Vikings are just treading water for the last 10 months and will do the same for the next 12 , they will get a SL place in 2012 , if they dont then nobody will be under any doubt as to how ' bent ' the franchise system is

When they do take their SL place they will get crowds better than 3/4 current SL clubs , it will be interesting to see what sort of attendances the club that comes down from SL get in the championship and the NRC in 2012

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: spooneryork "televised Cup game. Sheffield got 1200 for a normal league game the week before.'"



Obviously not , both these clubs have already achieved what is really very important

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Quote: Starbug "When they do take their SL place they will get crowds better than 3/4 current SL clubs , it will be interesting to see what sort of attendances the club that comes down from SL get in the championship and the NRC in 2012'"


They would get better crowds than some SL teams but 3/4?? I think not. That would mean they'd be averaging 10,000+.

I'm still not convinced that a SL club will go down. If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.

It's going to be a real mess and a PR disaster for the sport.

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Quote: SRC "They would get better crowds than some SL teams but 3/4?? I think not. That would mean they'd be averaging 10,000+.

I'm still not convinced that a SL club will go down. If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.

It's going to be a real mess and a PR disaster for the sport.'"


Not true. 4th lowest average home SL attendance so far this season (excl tonight's games) = Crusaders 6,691. That's quite a way short of 10,000.

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Quote: Starbug " the Vikings are just treading water for the last 10 months and will do the same for the next 12 , they will get a SL place in 2012 , if they dont then nobody will be under any doubt as to how ' bent ' the franchise system is
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Ridiculous in the extreme, a lot can happen in the next 18 months + may be best suited club or clubs on the day get the nod a046.gif

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Quote: SRC " If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.

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Why would it SRC ? They would have to cut their cloth accordingly thats all, massive shock to their system yes but insolvent nah.

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Quote: mick wilson "Why would it SRC ? They would have to cut their cloth accordingly thats all, massive shock to their system yes but insolvent nah.'"

3 years before being able to apply again would mean lost sponsors, £1M+ Sky cash etc etc. Are the 'threatened' SL clubs only offering 1 year contracts from now on ?? You can't pay many SL player contracts on £300K a year.

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Quote: prehensile "Not true. 4th lowest average home SL attendance so far this season (excl tonight's games)
The original post said that Widnes would attract better crowds than 3/4 of SL clubs. As there are 14 teams in SL, that would mean they would be the 3rd or 4th best supported team in the comp. Currently (going from www.slstats.org/) ....

1. Wigan - 16,207
2. Leeds - 15,333
3. St Helens - 14,034
4. Hull - 13,599
5. Warrington - 11,143

Widnes crowds in SL ...

2002 - 6,510
2003 - 6,511
2004 - 6,153
2005 - 6,794

I've no doubt they'd better those crowds from the last spell in SL they'd get nowhere near 10,000.
Quote: prehensile "Not true. 4th lowest average home SL attendance so far this season (excl tonight's games)
The original post said that Widnes would attract better crowds than 3/4 of SL clubs. As there are 14 teams in SL, that would mean they would be the 3rd or 4th best supported team in the comp. Currently (going from www.slstats.org/) ....

1. Wigan - 16,207
2. Leeds - 15,333
3. St Helens - 14,034
4. Hull - 13,599
5. Warrington - 11,143

Widnes crowds in SL ...

2002 - 6,510
2003 - 6,511
2004 - 6,153
2005 - 6,794

I've no doubt they'd better those crowds from the last spell in SL they'd get nowhere near 10,000.


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Quote: SRC "3 years before being able to apply again would mean lost sponsors, £1M+ Sky cash etc etc. Are the 'threatened' SL clubs only offering 1 year contracts from now on ?? You can't pay many SL player contracts on £300K a year.'"


Doesn't really matter as SL contracts only apply if you are in SL , drop down and all contracts are null and void

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Quote: SRC "They would get better crowds than some SL teams but 3/4?? I think not. That would mean they'd be averaging 10,000+.

I'm still not convinced that a SL club will go down. If that happened, the first thing that would happen is that the relegated club would take the RFL to court as the decision would pretty much make the club insolvent.

It's going to be a real mess and a PR disaster for the sport.'"


Slight missunderstanding , you read it as 3 quarters of SL clubs , I was implying 3 or 4 clubs currently in SL , as for the 2 nd highlighted bit , I totally agree

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Quote: mick wilson "Ridiculous in the extreme, a lot can happen in the next 18 months + may be best suited club or clubs on the day get the nod

The SL applications have to be in November this year, with the decision day being spring 2011. As Starbug says, we're probably only 10 months away from hearing who gets the nod from the Championship. I believe they will announce the 'winning' Championship club(s) 1st and then the SL club(s) who are to be relegated get announced at a later date. The reason being that 1st of all it gives the Championship club enough time to prepare and also if a SL club was told they were getting ditched in April/May, it would be unrealistic to expect them compete right to the end of the season.

As for the SL application - I believe a Championship club has to average 2,500 or more to statisfy the minimum standards regarding attendance. Looking at the RLfans Championship stats page, Widnes are the only team to stasify this criteria. In fact if the RFL do what they did last time and look back at the previous 3 years, they will see that Widnes are the only Championship team that have ever satisfied this criteria.

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[quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]TBF he's a good lad Snowy. A wind up merchant but a good lad. :lol:[/quote] [quote="-VIKINGMAN-"]That sig snowy is Ssooooooooooo old !!![/quote] OOpps - nowt changes !! [b]Widnes 8 Leigh 10 LOL!!! Leigh 23 Widnes 16 LOL!! Leigh 30 Widnes 16 LOL!! Widnes 18 Leigh 38 Oh Dear !! Leigh 54 Widnes 16 FFS!!! Leigh 50 Widnes 18 We gave them 3 tries !!! Widnes 18 Leigh 24 Still no points in the 2nd half!! Good luck Widnes. See you in 2015 !![/b]:8043.jpg



Quote: SRC "The original post said that Widnes would attract better crowds than 3/4 of SL clubs. As there are 14 teams in SL, that would mean they would be the 3rd or 4th best supported team in the comp. Currently (going from
This thread is getting nowhere !

Who cares ?

Put some of the lower SL clubs in the Championship and watch them struggle. Widnes, Leigh and Fax have a solid fanbase and thats a credit to them. Barrow are doing fine, but some have jumped on the bandwagon in the last 3 years, and Fev has always had 1500 loyal supporters.

If Widnes want SL, then fine. I feel they deserve it as for me they are quite easily a top 8 club.

Widnes' attendances will be 8000+ easily if they are to be competative. The Wire match alone will be 12000+.

Next season is going to be fun with the big shadow of doubt against 1 SL club guarenteed not to get a Franchise.

As a Leigh fan, I cannot be bothered with SL yet. The infrastructure is there but the team isn't, but averaging nearly 5k when watching your team get spanked week in and week out was very commendable when we were in SL. It almost killed our club, and I really fear for the lower clubs currently in SL.

Good luck to Widnes. They deserve it.

I would still prefer P&R, but watching Barrow getting 70 put past them each week isn't very motivating. Maybe it would be best for the Championship clubs to break away and go back to Winter ! Year round RL for the flatcappers !

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guys its about as certain as widnes getting into SL as it is that there will still be complaining about the elimination of p&r when the decisions are made

SL isnt big enough to exclude a club as good as widnes

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