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| Quote: -VIKINGMAN- "They havent even moved though yet and are still classed as a South Wales club. What would be the point of merging something that doest even exist as such. Widnes dont need a merger, were well capable of sustaining ourselves.'"
Totally agree, you had my backing for a spot in SL.
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| Quote: rover49 "Totally agree, you had my backing for a spot in SL.'"
Yet they still didn`t get in!
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| The Crusaders look like going the same way as Gateshead, lets not try and patch it up and make it work. A meger with Widnes would save the situation and ensure that a least everyone comes out with something. The last thing the game wants is for the Crusaders to go belly up in May next year, that would be very damaging.
Widnes need to be in the SL and SL needs them in.
The next thing we need to do is look at the way we are throwing these developing teams into the fray and then leaving them to flounder. Gateshead where not given the support the RFL promised and I bet the South Wales team have had much the same level of support. I think we pushed both teams into the top flight to enhance our claim to be more then a Northern sport. Twice we have failed and I suspect it will always fail without a good supporting network of amateur teams. London is slowly getting there and we need to nurture that, the French was always going to be successful due to the game being strong there. Wales is a pipe dream that is not going to happen, we keep trying and we keep failing.
Learn the lesson and move on to another area, if you must but don't rush it. We can not, should not draft teams into SL willy nilly anymore,.
THEY HAVE TO GET THERE BY EARNING THE RIGHT TO BE THERE
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| Quote: Ian P "The Crusaders look like going the same way as Gateshead, lets not try and patch it up and make it work. A meger with Widnes would save the situation and ensure that a least everyone comes out with something. The last thing the game wants is for the Crusaders to go belly up in May next year, that would be very damaging.
Widnes need to be in the SL and SL needs them in.
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Question though, why should Widnes be used as the vehicle save face as it were and to mop up the mess made by the RFL?
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| Quote: GetThemScallyWags "Question though, why should Widnes be used as the vehicle save face as it were and to mop up the mess made by the RFL?'"
Simply because they are about the only club who could at short notice take up the challenge of SL now. Leigh are well out of it Fax could be but the time thing would work against them.
Widnes is also closer Wales
The mess has to be cleared up as any failures mid season would be far more damaging for the sport as a whole. The union hacks would have a field day and if the RFL helped them one or two other clubs would also taken on the role of wounded ducks.
You sort it now and quickly
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| Quote: Ian P "Simply because they are about the only club who could at short notice take up the challenge of SL now. Leigh are well out of it Fax could be but the time thing would work against them.
Widnes is also closer Wales
It is a mess isn't it
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| Quote: Ian P "Simply because they are about the only club who could at short notice take up the challenge of SL now. Leigh are well out of it Fax could be but the time thing would work against them.
Widnes is also closer Wales
We'd spend week after week getting tonked, the development of the players we have recently promoted to the 1st team (some of which I would hope can take us in to SL in 2 years) would suffer immeasurably, we'd lose fans, the board will lose the fans confidence and all in the name of sorting out an utter farce.
We've been sacrificed too many times "for the good of the game". We accepted Les Catalans with grace, we eventually accepted Crusader's inclusion to SL with grace, I very much doubt anyone connected with the club would accept this in any way shape or form if they value the work that's currently going on to secure our immediate and long term future.
It's a none starter for me, we need to keep building before 2012 if not 2011. We want our day out in Blackpool again for one thing
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| Quote: GetThemScallyWags "We'd spend week after week getting tonked, the development of the players we have recently promoted to the 1st team (some of which I would hope can take us in to SL in 2 years) would suffer immeasurably, we'd lose fans, the board will lose the fans confidence and all in the name of sorting out an utter farce.
We've been sacrificed too many times "for the good of the game". We accepted Les Catalans with grace, we eventually accepted Crusader's inclusion to SL with grace, I very much doubt anyone connected with the club would accept this in any way shape or form if they value the work that's currently going on to secure our immediate and long term future.
It's a none starter for me, we need to keep building before 2012 if not 2011. We want our day out in Blackpool again for one thing
How about this for a ' what if '
What if the RFL funded the Wrexham SL club for 2010 to ensure they didn't fold halfway through the season but asked if Widnes would be prepared to move up for 2011 with a guaranteed 4 season licence ?
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| Quote: Saddened! "Celtic Widnes Crusader Vikings. Has a certain ring to it.'"
CelWid Crukings
Sounds fairly welsh
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| Quote: Starbug "How about this for a ' what if '
What if the RFL funded the Wrexham SL club for 2010 to ensure they didn't fold halfway through the season but asked if Widnes would be prepared to move up for 2011 with a guaranteed 4 season licence ?'"
I'd be very surprised if the RFL could afford to fund the club for a year.
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| Mergers dont work in this country simple.
There is no need to even try it.
Give Celtic more time and so extra help. Bet if they had done that with Gateshead there is every chance they might still be there now.
One season is nowhere near enough.
Widnes dont need it either, they are fine as they are and will get their chance
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| Quote: Starbug "How about this for a ' what if '
What if the RFL funded the Wrexham SL club for 2010 to ensure they didn't fold halfway through the season but asked if Widnes would be prepared to move up for 2011 with a guaranteed 4 season licence ?'"
That would be a much more appealing and respectable offer. I think during the next 12 months the club could move into the position where it can make an effective contribution to Super League.
All of this aside and I think it's been repeated already, Steve O'Connor has stated that the RFL has not made any approach whatsoever towards Widnes and that Super League 2012 is still the target.
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| Quote: GetThemScallyWags "That would be a much more appealing and respectable offer. I think during the next 12 months the club could move into the position where it can make an effective contribution to Super League.
All of this aside and I think it's been repeated already, Steve O'Connor has stated that the RFL has made any approach whatsoever towards Widnes and that Super League 2012 is still the target.'"
Think you missed 'not' out.
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| Quote: vikings 4 ever "Think you missed 'not' out.
doh
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| Quote: crucrucrusaders "That is the talk down here.
Half of me, if we are looking at a slow death is saying give Widnes their place. They deserve it more than us after the idiots in charge of us have made a pigs ear of it all.
I really hope if it does happen though the RFL see it for the bad running of a club that it was and look at our youth development and the club we could have been if run properly.
It just goes from bad to worse. No bad feeling if Widnes do get the position though as we couldn't have done many things worse off the field to be fair.
What it will mean though is that we will no doubt have a Championship 1 club down here so will still have rugby league. I also know there is budget that would have seen us compete a lot better in Super League, but it seems to be all what if's down here.
It pains me to say it but I'd probably prefer to see this happen than the club have a slow death which will happen if we don't stay in South Wales. We also wouldn't be near the sustainable youth that would be the lifeblood of the club. If it comes off good luck to Widnes, although they won't need it as they know what it takes and won't make the huge mistakes that we did.'" You post some absolute garbage at times.
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