crowds in top division RL have grown a lot since back in the 70s/80/early 90s.

just increased away support will add much more than those eras.

if they start off at 6000 - 7000 in years 1 /2 in SL and then start building a good side on the park, they i dont see why adding 3000 + to their crowds is that big a deal.

if franchising is to work properly, i think all heartland teams must be averaging at least 10,000

I think you would find we get them crowds we a town where your born with a ball in your hands and there no intrest in Football or any other sport and Rugby League it is proberly biggest rugby town in the world.

While I am also of the opinion that we only actually have 6/7 true Super clubs in SL , just which other clubs do you suggest are available to either improve or match what we already have ?

A simple question , will you give a simple answer

cant understand the hysteria around salfords so called inadequate stadium. the only thing lacking at the willows imo is that the beer is warm. one of my fav away grounds

None of the stadiums in SL are inadequate , they all fullfill what those clubs need to play SL at the moment

Far too much is made of Stadia , rather than what happens on the pitch

has somebody explained what franchising means?

agree with the sentiment but i understand why people dont always want to come to belle vue as you are open to the elements (although on a warm day cant beat it). the willows has cover if you want it as well as terracing. when there's a few in its a decent atmosphere. all they should do is tart it up and maybe improve the facilities a bit, cant imagine it would cost that much. oh and get some stronger flood lights

I perfectly understand the ' franchise ' process thanks

So tell me which clubs are unable to fit all the people that want to attend in their stadium ?

Which stadium sells all its seating capacity out for all its games ?

Which other club apart from Widnes will improve SL from the level it currently is at ?

crowds would be higher in newer stadiums than the jungle, BV and the willows. these clubs can not progress into clubs that can challenge the likes of leeds and st helens in their current grounds. therefore you have 3 heartland clubs essentially wasting space

add CC and Quins that arent that strong either and you have a league dominated by the same teams.

at least hull fc, warrington and huddersfield can build and challenge the big clubs.

until at least all your heartland clubs challenge the top clubs regularly your league wont progress.

other than widnes there are not many other standout candidates.

potentially halifax but time will till

id thought leigh in their new ground would progress but they havent.

edit : toulose would add more to SL in terms of expansion and strength of club and crowds than wakey or salford.

The most important thing after what happens on the pitch

The best sporting events have atmosphere and that is best created in older grounds rather than modern ' stadia ' if they are not full , and unfortunatley very few if any matches play to anywere near full capacity

1. the rfl has done a bit lately on clubs outside SL to progress. but the clubs have to help themselves.

2. every club that has moved to a new ground has experienced very large crowd increases. how can you expect to attract fans from soccer when soccer stadia are so modern and many RL grounds are dumps?

Totally agree. Biggest let down at Salford is warm beer from a can!

This large increase in support only happens if the club sells it to the fans. I think Starbug will agree that Leigh have been an exception to this rule and should be looked at as how not to take advantage of a new stadium.

Also this is harder to achieve bellow SL.

And the RFL has not done a great deal bellow SL. To be honest they need a shake up of the Entire Championship structure to make it feasable. How can Doncaster be expected to run at a profit with only 12 or so home games a season? And that goes for any club in the Championships. We need more games. if that means 1 Division of 16-18 with a Conference Division with a one up one down structure then that might go some way to pay the bills.

As it is it feels like the season is ending just as teams are warming up. A club will struggle to help itself if there is no money coming in for such a large slice of the year and teams can go so long without a home game.

Have they , what exactly ?

Did W1gan increase attendances when they moved to the JJB , have Doncaster and Leigh ?

Why should we be trying to attract fans from other sorts ? , Do we want those fans ?

Stop thinking Australian when trying to solve the problems of British RL