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Can't say I'd argue with that squad, only question for me would be McIlorum, thought his distribution was poor in the Samoa game. Obviously Wane thinks his toughness will see him through. For me KKP and McMeekin to miss out.

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Quote: Hangerman2 "as Wane has far more RL knowledge than you'"


Well that isn't much of a surprise. My 5-year-old has more RL knowledge than Saddo.

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Quote: Hangerman2 "Try actually watching the games, Hill has been immense this year, and prior to him getting injured in the CC final was dominating there too. Hill will be a starting prop as Wane has far more RL knowledge than you , as per usual doesn't play for a top side and therefore must be useless. You might also read what the players are saying, in his column Williams singled out Hill as being in top form.

"We've been brilliant as a group so it's unfair to pick out individuals but I have give a shout to Hilly. He's in form big time, he's been massive around the group and he's a leader who speaks."'"


Chris Hill has not been 'immense', not even close. Maybe slightly less useless than he was at Warrington, but he's not a top level forward. Burgess and Lees should start and Thompson and Oledzski from the bench. Far more dynamic, far more impact.

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Quote: Saddened! "Chris Hill has not been 'immense', not even close. Maybe slightly less useless than he was at Warrington, but he's not a top level forward. Burgess and Lees should start and Thompson and Oledzski from the bench. Far more dynamic, far more impact.'"


Wane and the halfback who plays behind him disagree, but i'm sure you know best mate

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Quote: Saddened! "Chris Hill has not been 'immense', not even close. Maybe slightly less useless than he was at Warrington, but he's not a top level forward. Burgess and Lees should start and Thompson and Oledzski from the bench. Far more dynamic, far more impact.'"


Lees is not good enough,certainly not as good as Hill,Burgess,Thompson,Oledzski.

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RICHARDS IS SUPERMAN!!!! Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27542.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "More Wane weirdness. Still picking McIllorum simply because he's his mate. No Luke Thompson but wasters like Hill and Cooper in there? Got to presume he's injured. Good to see Dom Young has been preferred to Ryan Hall. Bateman another who continues to ride the Wigan train into unwarranted international selection, but he's not a glaring weakness like Mickey Mac...'"

Agree on Cooper and too an extent Bateman.

However I thought McIlorum justified his selection in the opening game. He was dominate and ferocious against the likes of Paulo etc.

I don’t think he can do 80 at that intensity though, maybe Knowles will jump in a 9 for a bit

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Quote: Saddened! "Chris Hill has not been 'immense', not even close. Maybe slightly less useless than he was at Warrington, but he's not a top level forward. Burgess and Lees should start and Thompson and Oledzski from the bench. Far more dynamic, far more impact.'"

Please explain what Lees has done that Hill hasn't done better...apart from wear a Saints shirt of course!

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Quote: Phuzzy "Please explain what Lees has done that Hill hasn't done better...apart from wear a Saints shirt of course!'"


Lots of pressure and energy can play for long minutes, terrific line speed around the ruck. In otherwards a fast mobile prop who gets into your face consistently.

The only stand out selection questionable is Pearce-Paul, sooner have Farnworth starting.

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Quote: NSW "Agree on Cooper and too an extent Bateman.

However I thought McIlorum justified his selection in the opening game. He was dominate and ferocious against the likes of Paulo etc.

I don’t think he can do 80 at that intensity though, maybe Knowles will jump in a 9 for a bit'"


Radley played 9 for a spell and Knowles came on at 13 in the first group game. That was pretty effective so I think Wane will go with that option if needed.

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“You are playing a game of football this afternoon but more than that you are playing for England, and more even than that, you are playing for right versus wrong. You will win because you have to win. Don’t forget that message from home. England expects every one of you to do his duty.”:1230.gif



Can't see selections making a big difference to the result today, but I'd be concerned seeing this 17 playing in a semi final.

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England scoring at will, Game Over in the first quarter

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England looked good for half an hour, and PNG collapsed. Last 10 minutes were a bit of a muddle.

Hoping England can put in that second half performance now, play smart, don't force the attack, and keep it tight in defence, PNG nil should be the target.

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Quote: Jason65 "Lees is not good enough,certainly not as good as Hill,Burgess,Thompson,Oledzski.'"


He's better than Hill. His line speed and relentlessness in defense is outstanding. He's been brilliant for Saints for two years now. We've been told we're only winning the title every year because Walmsley is so good. But we've had two long injuries to Walmsley now and we don't drop at all. Lees has been incredible. Hill is putting a lot of effort in, he's doing okay, but there's no power in his carries or his tackles, he's just working hard.

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Quote: NSW "Agree on Cooper and too an extent Bateman.

However I thought McIlorum justified his selection in the opening game. He was dominate and ferocious against the likes of Paulo etc.

I don’t think he can do 80 at that intensity though, maybe Knowles will jump in a 9 for a bit'"


Maybe I've been spoiled with the hookers I've been watching for the last 20 years, but he's useless. He's slow to the ptb, his distribution is slow and laboured and whilst he's agressive in defense, he's gassed after about half an hour. If he wasn't a former Wigan player, he wouldn't have been considered.

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Quote: Saddened! "He's better than Hill. His line speed and relentlessness in defense is outstanding. He's been brilliant for Saints for two years now. We've been told we're only winning the title every year because Walmsley is so good. But we've had two long injuries to Walmsley now and we don't drop at all. Lees has been incredible. Hill is putting a lot of effort in, he's doing okay, but there's no power in his carries or his tackles, he's just working hard.'"


Did you watch the game today mate, or make your mind up before it started based on what you thought you knew? Again Hill had a massive game, consistently got his head through in attack, made yards and got quick play the ball as commented on by all including his coach, whereas Lees put in some flashy hits in defence and got driven back consistently because he;s lightweight for a prop at this level. We visibly lowered our performance when Burgess and Hill went off and the only real worry against the Aussies and Tongans will be when they come off and lesser forwards such as Cooper and Lees come on, who are not performing at the same level (cooper particularly). I'm guessing you saw it differently eh?

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