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"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs.":22575.gif |
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If you have any connection with Wigan you get a free pass into the squad. McIlorum and Cooper? FFS, we knew Wane would do this but it's so tiresome.
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England Men's World Cup squadJohn Bateman (Wigan Warriors) - Very lucky, just Wigan connections keeping him in now
Tom Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs) - Deserved
Mike Cooper (Wigan Warriors) - Shocking selection. Mr Average, does not deserve his place, Wigan connections again
Herbie Farnworth (Brisbane Broncos) - Deserved
Ryan Hall (Hull KR) - Living on past glories. Not good enough, but hopefully won't play anyway
Chris Hill (Huddersfield Giants) - Another very lucky to get in, undeserved
Morgan Knowles (St Helens) - Automatic pick at 13
Matty Lees (St Helens) - Automatic pick a prop
Tommy Makinson (St Helens) - Automatic pick on wing
Michael McIlorum (Catalans Dragons) - Again, Wigan connections? What on earth is this selection about?
Mike McMeeken (Catalans Dragons) - Deserved
Mikolaj Oledzki (Leeds Rhinos) - One for the future, nowhere near the level required yet but getting there
Kai Pearce-Paul (Wigan Warriors) - Wigan connections. Wigan connections. Wigan connections. Done absolutely nothing all season.
Victor Radley (Sydney Roosters) - Deserved
Marc Sneyd (Salford Red Devils) - Que?
Luke Thompson (Canterbury Bulldogs) - Automatic pick at prop
Kallum Watkins (Salford Red Devils) - Quality player, deserves his place
Jack Welsby (St Helens) - Automatic pick at fullback, but common sense will see him play 6 instead given Lomax is unavailable
Elliott Whitehead (Canberra Raiders) - Automatic pick at second row
George Williams (Warrington Wolves) - What? Wigan connections? Awful player, awful season, completely undeserving.
Dom Young (Newcastle Knights) - Good pick, proving himself in the NRL
My thoughts there. Bolded ones are very lucky to be there. The fact they're still in the 'Wigun lads barbie-cue' Whatsapp group getting most of them in there.
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Mcillorums temperament is a worry, if he gets sinbinned or sent off in a big game, it could cost us big time
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Do we think if Hardaker hadn't walked out on Wigan he would have got a spot? He's been very, very good in a variety of backline positions for Leeds in the run-in.
But taking that approach to Wigan was always going to be fatal to his chances of getting into a Wane squad.
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Hall and Hill a bit past it now, don’t think Sneyd is an international player, Williams and Bateman struggling this season.
Would have Hardaker in the squad looks OK of late, don’t know if Connor is injured he,s a better international player than his domestic version.
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I might go against the grain here but im glad McIlorum is in. We need a pack that wont get bullied and has a bit of bite. Ackers at hooker? The aussies would just put their hand on his head and keep him at arms length like you do with toddlers.
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I thought Marshall would have got in the squad at least as he scores tries and has real pace.
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On paper Somoa are a better side.
Home advantage may get England the win but I fancy Somoa to beat England.
A kangeroo series seems more pointless than ever right now. Australia would batter England.
It's inexcusable for a side like England to lack so much genuine quality.
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We won’t win a World Cup again on individual talent in the next 20 years. The only way we will even beat Australia is through a combination of sheer luck, unbelievable motivation and desire, every referee decision to go our way and at least 5 HIAs/injuries to them in the game.
Therefore it’s mostly irrelevant if the squad includes some players who aren’t as good as others.
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| Quote: Hopie "I saw England beat Australia on TV at the Centenary world cup when I was still at school, but it was just another sport on BBC TV at the time. Little would I know that would be the only time I'd see England beat a Tier 1 team at a world cup in my lifetime.
Before the disastrous world cup in 2000 I was a Super League season ticket holder, and I've been to every world cup since, I've seen some horrible defeats and some painful exits, not many World cup high points involving England at all, but I really despair at the lack of quality England can call upon. In 200o we ran out of wingers, in 2017 we only had 1 centre. Players get older and slower but the replacements don't step up to the mark and displace them from the team. The same tried and failed players look good in the league and then get picked again and battered in full internationals.
Results in 2000 and 2008 were disastrous for different reasons, but in 2013 and 2017 I thought we had a genuine chance. We grew through the tournament in 2013 and actually put out a good team in a losing semi final. A huge upgrade on the coaching side made up for the reduced squad quality in 2017 but a favourable draw and creditable niling in the final isn't what I am after. I just want to see England win another big game before I give up, or the game I knew is gone for good.
2022 looks like another downgrade in terms of squad and a bigger one in terms of coaching staff. looks like we are falling down the rankings rather than looking to use home advantage to beat the best. Why is there such a lack of quality England players, particularly creative ones, and will we ever be able to turn the tide on this one?'"
Geta grip we was a ankle tap from probably winning the final in 2017 against aussies |
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I think we would of had a chance had lomax, percival, Walmsley and Roby been fit/played
Think Samoa are stronger than NZ and will be a serious threat to Australia
A lot of key Penrith players who have dominated the nrl last few years so the gelling issue shouldn't be a problem
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| Quote: Thetalentboy "Geta grip we was a ankle tap from probably winning the final in 2017 against aussies'"
Would have only made it 6-6. We'd have still had to score again. |
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| Quote: Thetalentboy "I think we would of had a chance had lomax, percival, Walmsley and Roby been fit/played
Think Samoa are stronger than NZ and will be a serious threat to Australia
A lot of key Penrith players who have dominated the nrl last few years so the gelling issue shouldn't be a problem'"
I think the problem for Samoa and Tonga, even Australia is that we're likely to see mass pullouts. Once one big name does it, tons of them will. |
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| Quote: Saddened! "I think the problem for Samoa and Tonga, even Australia is that we're likely to see mass pullouts. Once one big name does it, tons of them will.'"
I don't think they will. There are players from Somoa and Tonga who turned down the chance to earn great money to play for Australia.
They wont turn down the Green and Gold
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Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27542.jpg |
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England Men's World Cup squad
How many of these players would you say are in there prime?
Sam - past his prime which was 10-12 years ago
Akers - prime but untested
Batchellor - prime but untested
Bateman - not in form he was 3-4 years ago
Burgess - not in form he was 4-5 years ago
Cooper - past his prime in his NRL/peak wire days
Herbie - probs a few years away from his prime
Hall - 7+ years past his prime
Hill - still a great player but 5+ years past his prime
Knowles - in his prime
Lees - in his prime
Makinson - in his prime
McIlorum - 5+ years past his prime
McMeeken - in his prime
Oledzki - maybe a few years off his prime
KPP - still developing, years off his prime
Radley - prime
Sneyd - not seen enough, untested at this level
Thompson - prime
Watkins - playing well but a few years later his explosive best at Leeds
Welsby - playing great but untested and will probably been even better at the next World Cup
Whitehead - prime
Williams - prime but out of form
Young - will be in his prime at the next World Cup
Farrell, Walmsley, Newman, Lomax, Percival are big misses to the squad.
Gone are the days off stalwarts like Farrell, Peacock, Morley, Ellis, O’Loughlin, Burgess, Sculthrope
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