McQueen knocked the ball backwards

Rule states that a knock on is a ball that is dropped forwards towards the dead ball line

It went backwards

After watching it over and over I don’t think the ball goes backwards it’s just McQueen ends up ahead of the ball. The problem now is any fumble in scoring should be scrutinised each and everytime.
McQueen made a complete mess of trying to ground the ball to score and should have been classified a knock on.

As a Hull fan I can’t believe I’m saying that the two incidents going against Rovers were wrong. Kendall needs to brought to task but as much like his huge clanger not to deal with Tompkins of Mcillorum last year he will just be protected by the RFL and officiating dept.

It's a fact he was a hudds academy player. Also rumoured he was a season ticket holder.

If we didn't have referees who supported clubs at some point, we wouldn't have referees (in any sport). You don't just have no interest in the game, then become a referee. People need to make their mind up, loads of them moan that referees make certain decisions because they have never played the game at a high level. So you get someone who was a decent player and he gets it thrown back at him at every opportunity.

If he was a decent player then why at his age is he not playing rugby, just a thought.

Because he's a top referee, which is why he has made it from reffing kiddies games, to junior and then youth games, then probably amateur, then probably top amateur through semi-professional to Championship and now Superleague.

That is one heck of a journey and one heck of an achievement and not for one nano second did he go through all that in the hope of being able to influence Huddersfield games if he "supports" them.

Playing Rugby League is very hard, many hard knocks and now the serious long term effects of concussion. Injuries can affect your day job which is why some people don't carry on playing but choose reffing as a way to get involved, get a run out and enjoy the crack afterwards. Clubs get to know the refs and vice versa so reffing is a great way to be involved in the game and get to know a lot of great people, and get around to many great RL places.

I's only fans who have never reffereed and probably dare not referee that have the ability to think any ref wants to choose who they would like to win. They have the ability to think that SL refs are "rubbish" based on decisions they think the Ref got wrong when nine times out of then it's the terrace Ref that is wrong. It's OK of course for players to make many mistakes in the heat of battle but not acceptable for a ref to make any mistake despite every decision he has to make often being challenged strongly by players.

The worst thing to happen was when the sport couldn't get a visa for Matt Cecchin. He should have been brought in not only to ref SL games but also have replaced Ganson as Technical Director of referees.

I remember hearing Ganson on Rugby League back chat and the guy sounded like an idiot simply defending the refs and there incompetence no matter what.

Just look at the PTB rule changes and the refs from day 1 completly ignoring incorrect play the balls. Ganson did nothing to ensure the refs actually penalise players for not making a genuine attempt to play the ball let alone actually touch the ball.

I'm convinced the video refs love getting the opportunity to have there voices or job exposed on TV considering how long they take to make decisions. They look at every angle possible numerous times when its in unecessary.

Presumably because he wasn't deemed good enough to make it as an SL player, and would rather be a full time SL referee than try to make it as a part time player in the Championship or League 1.

I'm not saying he's a superstar. I'm saying many people complain refs make certain decisions because they are out of touch with the players, so it's hypocritical to then complain about an ex academy player becoming a top official. If people think he has spent years working his way up to this level, to then risk his career on live TV to help Huddersfield maybe finish 6th instead of 7th, they're beyond help. He made an incorrect call on the Gaskell dive, I can see why people think the McQueen one was a knock on but half of us think it was correct. That's hardly evidence of bias.

I think the concern is more that he is refereeing (or VR in this case) his home town team. It puts him in a bit of an invidious position. I haven’t thought about it much before, but presumably Ganson and Thaler got/get St Helens and Wakefield games from time to time? Or those of their arch rivals... where would you stop if not?

I can’t imagine it’d be a [iconscious[/i bias, and there’s the possibility of it being pure coincidence. Add in the home town thing and... well, the optics aren’t great.

It takes a lot for me to remotely question somebody’s integrity, and I’m definitely not. Mistakes happen. It’d have been hard to be so sanguine if it had cost us 2 points. Being honest, that’d partly be because the win was so desperately needed, psychologically as much as anything.

Thank you most sincerely for your analysis on the rise from learning the art of refereeing from junior rugby up to top grade, not sure why you think I need to know all this as all I have done is ask a poster why a man he deems to be a very good rugby player might choose to referee a game instead of playing it, but as I say your input is much valued, btw how do you measure a nano second.

Refs used to not be allowed to officiate their home town team, then they changed the rules as Saints kept making finals, which made the best ref at the time (Ganson) ineligible.

Where do you draw the line if you assume they are impartial? Can a Wigan ref not officiate St Helens because they are rivals? Would a Wigan ref have been allowed to officiate Huddersfield v Leeds in 2015 when Huddersfield winning would have given Wigan the LLS? What if Kendall had a semi final involving Wigan and knew that if they won that he would probably get the final as Moore would become ineligible? You kind of have to accept they are impartial and select the best official for the game or else the whole system is knackered.

It isn't a private conversation is it? I didn't EMail you did I? I just stuck up for the referees against ref bashers everywhere on a public forum by replying to you.

I don't think you personally need to know this at all, but there's been 892 "views" of the posts and I bet there's a few ref bashers amongst that lot.

Thanks for assisting me to have a go at them......

They are impartial, but it's a professional game that requires paying spectators who are the customers to provide the income. If there's a load of "customers" who think that a St. Helens born ref would give all the key decisions to Saints in a Saints match then you just don't do it, you don't cheese customers off regardless of their ridiculous complaints when there is no need to wind them up by appointing a St.Helens born ref for a st.Helens game.

"Other Refs are available"......

Well strangely enough all I am guilty of is asking a question of a certain Wigan supporter, nothing untoward from his answer to my question, but somehow one again you shoved your nose in and promptly gave it to me from the thread to the needle regarding the life of a referee from junior rugby right up to super league standard, not sure why you selected me unless you thought I was a prime candidate for you to once again have a go at certain posters on here, (your choice of words not mine), leading on from your other chosen tirades, incidentally I haven't done any ref bashing as you put it on here only that he got three crucial decisions wrong imo, I also stated that the main official Liam Moore had an exemplary game, so if you are trying to lump me in with your usual suspects please read my post properly, it's less embarrassing for you, alternatively you can follow me on twitter if your going to stalk me

How often are the fans happy with the refs anyway? How much less happy will they be when you can longer put your best refs on your best games, so get more errors than usual? Especially if you got to a situation like we had with Ganson where he was the best ref at the time by a mile but Saints were making all the finals.

The fans moan about the ref in every sport I've ever heard of, and they keep coming back and paying to watch games regardless. I've never heard of a single fan stop watching rugby because of the refs unless they were literally banned for abusing one.