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| the salary cap has to go, it's near impossible to enforce. And just look at world sport as a whole, Chelsea or Real Madrid, some of the richest clubs in the world, never have and never will dominate their respective leagues. There's is always competition, it's a team game, that's what so great about it, anything can happen.
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| Its not really a fair comparison. Chelsea are "new" money just the same as City. No one knows whether they will dominate. Real however have won 31 League titles which counts as dominance in my book. Altho when you have a fascist leader in Franco meaning you can effectively steal one of the worlds best players (De Stefano) then perhaps a salary cap might not have helped with parity there anyway.
I like the idea of the cap. I like NFL and its cap is brilliant but that is in the context of essentially a cartel league and a draft system that tries to bring top and bottom together. Rugby, like football is not in that position so a parity creating cap cannot work as all it will mean is that your best players go to or at least consider another sport. I prefer the % of turnover cap myself to ensure teams are solvent. No loopholes and the current fine structure for any breaches. In those circumstances you are free to pay one superstar any amount below that level and we can see if it really is a team game.
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| Quote: Lethul "SO basically, lets say im Bill Gates and im a Brisbane fan with no connections to the club. Brisbane could sign all the best players in the world, give them all salaries that dont break the salary cap and then I could employ them all as employees of microsoft and pay them millions. Is this what you are saying?'"
it has to be genuine emplyoment.
brisbane got inglis on $350,000 under the salary cap and the other $300,000 came from 3rd party sponsors
souths are doing the same thing ie $350,000 under the cap and the rest from 3rd party sponsors
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "It is.
And it stinks a bit. Why bother calling something a salary cap when you can easily get round it.'"
if it means keeping thurston and ignlis in RL not union then i dont mind.
its not that easy to get around it, there are limited people who want to do this anyway
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| Quote: langpark "the salary cap has to go, it's near impossible to enforce. And just look at world sport as a whole, Chelsea or Real Madrid, some of the richest clubs in the world, never have and never will dominate their respective leagues. There's is always competition, it's a team game, that's what so great about it, anything can happen.'"
broncos fan doenst support cap
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www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5952398438
talks about GIs 3rd party deals
remember the nrl has to approve any 3rd party deals as genuine ie you have to be working for these things.
remember its only 3rd parties not connected to the club that are unlimited
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www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5952398438
talks about GIs 3rd party deals
remember the nrl has to approve any 3rd party deals as genuine ie you have to be working for these things.
remember its only 3rd parties not connected to the club that are unlimited
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| still a farce really. Any club who has mates can get anyone they want as long as their mate pays a chunk of money to them for what?
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| Quote: tigermanrocks "Its not really a fair comparison. Chelsea are "new" money just the same as City. No one knows whether they will dominate. Real however have won 31 League titles which counts as dominance in my book. Altho when you have a fascist leader in Franco meaning you can effectively steal one of the worlds best players (De Stefano) then perhaps a salary cap might not have helped with parity there anyway.
I like the idea of the cap. I like NFL and its cap is brilliant but that is in the context of essentially a cartel league and a draft system that tries to bring top and bottom together. Rugby, like football is not in that position so a parity creating cap cannot work as all it will mean is that your best players go to or at least consider another sport. I prefer the % of turnover cap myself to ensure teams are solvent. No loopholes and the current fine structure for any breaches. In those circumstances you are free to pay one superstar any amount below that level and we can see if it really is a team game.'"
But 31 titles is over a 108 year period, and they've only won 6 of the last 20 seasons. I think to be called dominant you'd need to be winning at least a majority of the seasons. In Greece for example, until last season, Olympiakos had won 12 of the last 13 seasons. That is dominance.
I hear what you're saying, and for a long time i was in favour of the salary cap, but i have recently changed my opinion for the reason i stated before, that i don't think any team will ever dominate.
Also, the argument for many years has been that the smaller clubs will be left behind. I think this is a bit of a loser mentality it's like we want to play to the standards of the bottom teams rather than the top teams. Why not aim higher?
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| I understand what you are saying but a 30% title percentage is pretty good - there was a war in that time frame an no one else is close. Regardless...I think the concept of parity is absolutely not what the salrary cap is trying to do. The quote "any given sunday" isnt an attempt to say everyone is mediocre altho the implication is that the "talent" is spread. Rather the intent is twofold
1) ensure you see the talent. There is nothing worse than seeing good players sitting on the bench on the off chance of an injury to a star when they are easily good enough to play first grade
2) The most important thing is the competition. All teams want to win but if you imagine a world where you win every game it gets sickly sweet and you do not appreciate. Much better to have close contests across the board and even upsets. If you can only win by budgets then thats not exactly showing the talent of your coaching staff to complement the players is it? Instead the key is to sustain a team over time by building from within.
Those, financial viability for all clubs, and a fair interpretation of the rules are the only things I want from the stewards of the game. The rest is down to the teams. If someone can provide a decent model other than a salary cap based approach then Im all for seeing its merits.
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| On telly this morning, Souths are paying $190,000 this season for Inglis, the other 300+ thousand is coming from "third party" payments.
Farce.
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "On telly this morning, Souths are paying $190,000 this season for Inglis, the other 300+ thousand is coming from "third party" payments.
Farce.'"
heard that but its more than $190,000, they probably didnt include the marquee player allowance of $150,000 in that figure
GI didnt leave brisbane for $450,000 from souths
hell be on $600,000 at souths plus a car.
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| So are you accusing the Souths CEO of giving misleading figures to the media like he did on telly this morning?
Once again you're applying guesswork and hearsay saying Souths are including a $150,000 marquee figure.
You keep saying $600,000 because that's the figure the media keep saying. As it's $1.8m over three, but it's not. As I said before Richo was on radio saying he was paying him on a sliding scale from this season. I suspect that they'll offload a couple of older players at the end of this season and free up more cash to increase Inglis's "official" salary from Souths for 2012.
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| Fine with it all if it keeps our stars in our game.
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| Quote: Rooster Booster "So are you accusing the Souths CEO of giving misleading figures to the media like he did on telly this morning?
Once again you're applying guesswork and hearsay saying Souths are including a $150,000 marquee figure.
You keep saying $600,000 because that's the figure the media keep saying. As it's $1.8m over three, but it's not. As I said before Richo was on radio saying he was paying him on a sliding scale from this season. I suspect that they'll offload a couple of older players at the end of this season and free up more cash to increase Inglis's "official" salary from Souths for 2012.'"
GI didnt leave brisbane for less money and he was on $600,000 at brisbane.
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| Quote: dally messenger "GI didnt leave brisbane for less money and he was on $600,000 at brisbane.'"
OK mate. The CEO says he ain't, you say he is. I'll listen to you.
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