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Quote: Andy Gilder "England's problem in that first half wasn't personnel, it was defensive structure. Every time Australia moved the ball right the whole defensive line compressed over to that side of the field. Couple of big long passes to their left and suddenly you've got two of the best players in the world (Inglis and Slater) operating in acres of space with a big overlap because the ball is being moved faster than the defence can slide.'"


Nail on head.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Like Chris "Irish when it suits" Bridge or Paul "What position am I playing" Sykes?

If you think either of them would have done better on Saturday you're only fooling yourself.

England's problem in that first half wasn't personnel, it was defensive structure. Every time Australia moved the ball right the whole defensive line compressed over to that side of the field. Couple of big long passes to their left and suddenly you've got two of the best players in the world (Inglis and Slater) operating in acres of space with a big overlap because the ball is being moved faster than the defence can slide.'"


Spot on - can you let HKR fans know? Some of them seem to think it was all Tom Briscoe's fault.

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Quote: Chris28 "Spot on - can you let HKR fans know? Some of them seem to think it was all Tom Briscoe's fault.'"


Do you a deal Chris, I'll do that if you can let the Saints fans know it wasn't all down to Sinfield, Smith and McGuire.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Do you a deal Chris, I'll do that if you can let the Saints fans know it wasn't all down to Sinfield, Smith and McGuire.'"


But it was... Not just Saints fans think that mate. Briscoe was in no way at fault.

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Never mind if he's deserved his place on merit or not throughout the season, he should not have been picked. If Tony Smith is building for the 2013 World Cup then why pick a player who's played his last game of club rugby league?

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Quote: PONNER "Never mind if he's deserved his place on merit or not throughout the season, he should not have been picked. If Tony Smith is building for the 2013 World Cup then why pick a player who's played his last game of club rugby league?'"


Isn't Tony Smith's job to win the 2009 Four Nations by picking what he considers his best available team?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Like Chris "Irish when it suits" Bridge or Paul "What position am I playing" Sykes?

If you think either of them would have done better on Saturday you're only fooling yourself.

England's problem in that first half wasn't personnel, it was defensive structure. Every time Australia moved the ball right the whole defensive line compressed over to that side of the field. Couple of big long passes to their left and suddenly you've got two of the best players in the world (Inglis and Slater) operating in acres of space with a big overlap because the ball is being moved faster than the defence can slide.'"

Absolutely correct. Although it's up to those players left exposed (and the full back, who can see better than anyone) to tell any players who've been sucked in to get back in position and be aware of Slater slotting into their back line and creating the overlap.

Inglis has two main weapons. His outstanding sidestep - normally off his right foot, but either way is blindingly fast. He'll run at his opposite centre, pull him wide, and then slice inside. He's so big and fast that if he creates a few inches he's through, but it seemed to me that Eastmond's reactions were fast enough to cope and his size meant he went low and avoided Inglis's upper body strength. And then of course Inglis has that pace - give him any space and those long legs take him away from you, and in full flight he's almost impossible to stop. And of course he's a freakishly outstanding athlete.

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Quote: Cronus "Inglis has two main weapons. His outstanding sidestep - normally off his right foot, but either way is blindingly fast. He'll run at his opposite centre, pull him wide, and then slice inside. He's so big and fast that if he creates a few inches he's through, but it seemed to me that Eastmond's reactions were fast enough to cope and his size meant he went low and avoided Inglis's upper body strength. And then of course Inglis has that pace - give him any space and those long legs take him away from you, and in full flight he's almost impossible to stop. And of course he's a freakishly outstanding athlete.'"


The difference in the second half was that England spread their defensive line a little more, and the Australians weren't willing to be as adventurous as they were dealing with worse field position and trying to run a lot of escape sets. Hence the big shifts of the ball from right to left weren't being used as often.

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Id play him at fullback against the Kiwis.

Smith
Briscoe
Ellis
Shenton
Hall.

I dont like Shaun Briscoe at full back.

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Leeds played with two British centres all season.

One has retired (but is still probably the best) and the other was Lee Smith.

If other clubs didn't play antipodeans in their threequarters then Lee Smith might not have been selected.

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Quote: OoOGazOoO "Id play him at fullback against the Kiwis.

Smith
Briscoe
Ellis
Shenton
Hall.

I dont like Shaun Briscoe at full back.'"


I wouldn't argue with that.

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Quote: OoOGazOoO "I dont like Shaun Briscoe at full back.'"


He did nothing wrong on Saturday and was fairly solid.

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Quote: G1 "Leeds played with two British centres all season.

One has retired (but is still probably the best) and the other was Lee Smith.

If other clubs didn't play antipodeans in their threequarters then Lee Smith might not have been selected.'"


Will they play with two British centres next season?

just for a bit of fun.

Pick 3 teams from your club

1) All British

2) All that have come through your academy

3) All local born(i.e for the Saints side all St.Helens born.)

All must be eligible for Superleague 2010

Thinking caps on.

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



British

1- Richards
2- Goulding
3- Gleeson
4- Pryce
5- Ainscough
6- O'Loughlin
7- Tomkins
8- Fielden
9- McIllorum
10- Prescott
11- Coley
12- Mossop
13- Tomkins

14- O'Carroll
15- Davies
16- Farrell
17- Mellor

Wigan Academy

1- Briscoe
2- Aspinwall
3- Wild
4- Brown
5- Ainscough
6- S.Tomkins
7- Sean Long
8- Prescott
9- McIllorum
10- O'Carroll
11- Gilmour
12- Wild
13- O'Loughlin

14- Hansen
15- Hargreaves
16- Bibey icon_lol.gif He has 2 challenge cup winners medals you know!
17- Jones/Deacon/Robinson
17-

Wigan Lads

1- Briscoe
2- Aspinwall
3- Gleeson
4- Brown
5- Goulding
6- S.Tomkins
7- Long
8- Prescott
9- Newton
10- Wood
11- Tickle
12- Wild
13- O'Loughlin

14- J.Tomkins
15- Hargreaves
16- Clarke
17- Fitzpatrick

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1. Mathers
2. Smith
3. Walker
4. Gibson
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Tansey
8. Burgess
9. McShane
10. Bailey
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. Ablett
13. Murrell

14. Jones-Bishop
15. Kaye
16. Scruton
17. Williams

All born and have played for Leeds in last 5 years and doesn't include players such as Burrow, Sinfield, Diskin, Calderwood, Ward, Watkins; If going for Leeds lads can add Peacock.

For next season:

1. Jones-Bishop
2. Broughton
3. Coady
4. Senior
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Bailey
9. Diskin
10. Peacock
11. Jones-Buchanan
12. Ablett
13. Sinfield

14. Burgess
15. McShane
16. Watkins
17. Kirke
18. Amor
19. Pitts

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