And yet in your <REMOVED> you have them finishing above Hull KR Salford and Widnes <REMOVED>.

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Widnes is definitely short of Super League standard and both Salford and Hull KR might be.

Toronto and either London or Toulouse will finish above Widnes. I foresee Toronto finishing 2nd or 3rd and London and Toulouse in the MPG.

Time will tell.

They Lost, to the side with the 2nd worst run of form in SL and they lost heavily being outscored 9 tries to 4 with 2 of their tries coming at the death of the first half and their last with 4 minutes to go.....they will struggle against Toronto Salford and HKR and stand the best chance of points v Fax this weekend......if they lose to fax then I expect "nil point" and rock bottom last....but yeah, let's promote them because they're "entertaining"....

Or you could say they played entertaining rugby and were competitive with the 2017 Super League Champions and Super League’s most successful side, been only 1 score down at half time.

I expect Toulouse to beat Halifax, who I think will finish on 0 points. All games between Toulouse, Toronto, Widnes, Salford and Hull Kr will be too tight to call and could go either way.

I’m not about Toronto yet based on Paul Rowley. This is his first crack at the Qualifiers since 2015 when he was expected to challenge with Leigh but they flopped big time. Made tough work of Halifax

we will see on Sunday
I think leeds will have too much for us, but if we can play at speed we may catch them out. 2k tickets sold already, so a cracking day out anyway.

i'd like to see the Toulouse Olympique join Les Catalans and see what attendances they would get in a derby

If both Catalans Dragons and Toulouse Olympique were in Super League, for the local derby I would expect 11,000 + in Perpignan and 14-15,000 in Toulouse.

...based on what exactly?

I believe France have had good crowds for internationals down there

...and what's that got to do with the price of cheese in Kazakhstan? The Shay had a sellout crowd into 5 figures for Tonga vs Italy, but that doesn't translate into similar numbers when Fax play our local rivals, London. They're over 200km apart, which is give or take what West Yorkshire is from London. Cats get decent crowds, but Toulouse?

Wouldn't that require a new stadium?

No. They can play in the existing Ernest-Wallon stadium in Toulouse, used by rugby union, which has a capacity of 19,500. That stadium was used by Catalans against Hull KR in 2013, and the match was a sellout. It was also used for French rugby league Test matches. I attended one there -- France vs New Zealand -- many years ago, when Maxime Greseque was France's half back.

Your assessment of Widnes is a widely held belief although they've escaped before. Salford are actually likely to be top of the group. Leeds scraped by Toulouse at home so hard to tell. Same with us. Outmuscled by probably the top team in the m8s.

The game on Saturday is arguably bigger for Toronto than us - they've been talked up by everyone for two years and its time to prove it. If we lose then it'll be nothing more than the expansionists want and if they lose it'll be 'expected' because we're the SL team. We'll get no cries of it being a great victory. The attention from none KR fans will be on Toronto.

For Rovers fans its just a vital SL survival game that happens to be played in another continent, the opposition is largely unimportant.