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| According to the sporting life report the money has been promised to the administrators, so that wouldn't be Wrexham Village.
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| Quote: DemonUK "Not wishing to sound too ignorant here. But how can a business that is in administration, ie creditors will only get so much in the pound if anything. Then announce that the RFL is giving them money to pay the players wages IN FULL at the end of the month. Am I not right in thinking the players are now creditors like any other and not preferential creditors.
Can someone tell us the full 100% truth at what is going on, and who is the employer for the two players they signed two days before a pre-arranged administration hearing.
Something doesn't smell right at all'"
The RFL have lattitude to allocate Sky money to certain parties prior to paying it to the 14 clubs.
For example at least one SL club has been 'very slow' when paying for its loan players / handing over the ticket money when it has sold tickets to its fans for away games. Here the RFL deducts money that is owed to other SL clubs and then pay the balance to the slow payer.
I assume the RFL have said they will pay players first THEN the balance goes to the Crusaders. I am sure other creditorswill be livid.
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| Quote: DemonUK "Not wishing to sound too ignorant here. But how can a business that is in administration, ie creditors will only get so much in the pound if anything. Then announce that the RFL is giving them money to pay the players wages IN FULL at the end of the month. Am I not right in thinking the players are now creditors like any other and not preferential creditors.
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I think you are confusing administration with liquidation.
A company in administration is still trading in the hope of being sold as a going concern to a new owner or owners who will hopefully inject fresh capital. It is normally agreed as part of that transaction which creditors of the old company will be paid, and how much.
A company in liquidation has effectively ceased to exist. Its assets (if any) will be sold to the highest bidder and any funds raised will be used to pay creditors, usually at a rate of so many pence in the pound.
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| Hmmm so the creditors will be quite happy that the players can still be paid in full and they myght get a minute percentage. What about the dismissed winding up order, does that mean HMRC have written off the amount it is owed. At the end of the day there doesn't seem a massive amount of difference if the buyer that the administrators feel is best to take over is only offering creditors 10%
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| Quote: DemonUK "Hmmm so the creditors will be quite happy that the players can still be paid in full and they myght get a minute percentage. What about the dismissed winding up order, does that mean HMRC have written off the amount it is owed. At the end of the day there doesn't seem a massive amount of difference if the buyer that the administrators feel is best to take over is only offering creditors 10%'"
The creditors have no option. We've had customers go into administration and all you can do is hang on and hope that they can be rescued and eventually pay off their debts. Any eventual buyer will inherit the debts and will have to make their own arrangements with creditors.
The dismissed winding up order may indicate that HMRC have confirmed that the money wasn't owed after all?
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| Quote: Kosh "The creditors have no option. We've had customers go into administration and all you can do is hang on and hope that they can be rescued and eventually pay off their debts. Any eventual buyer will inherit the debts and will have to make their own arrangements with creditors.
The dismissed winding up order may indicate that HMRC have confirmed that the money wasn't owed after all?'"
It wasn’t dismissed, it was adjourned to the following week, by which time they went into administration.
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| It was dismissed today pepe, in about 30 seconds according to reports
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| Quote: DemonUK "It was dismissed today pepe, in about 30 seconds according to reports'"
Fair enough then. Kosh may be right.
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| Quote: DemonUK "It was dismissed today pepe, in about 30 seconds according to reports'" So the Crusaders didnt actually need to go into admin.
I would guess the decision has been taken to remove the depts they inherited from the previous regime and stop someone trying to get even more out of the club.
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| If it is a case of the money had been paid and they have done the admin to get rid of old ' inherited ' debt , well not ideal but much better than what it seemed , just whoever agreed the original deal without sorting it at the time wants a rocket up the jaxxy
Then again I think at the time the RFL were that desperate not to lose the ' Welsh ' licence they'd have agreed to anything
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| Would seem that the bill had been paid after all, the things Crusaders do to make the off season interesting for everyone else eh?
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| Quote: Kosh "
The dismissed winding up order may indicate that HMRC have confirmed that the money wasn't owed after all?'"
Its more likely to mean that its the only way HMRC could get any money back.
If they'd wound the club up they would have got nothing as the club has no tangible assets to speak of that the official receiver could sell to distribute funds to creditors. Its pointless to wind up a company that has no assets, except to prevent them from accruing more debt if they carried on trading.
By letting them go into administration the administrator will try to find a buyer for the business. Any price paid for the purchase of the business will then go to pay off creditors at a % in the £. If they owed £750k and the business was bought for £75k, as an example, then creditors would receive 10p for every £1 owed to them.
HMRC's logic will be that its better to have something, even if its only 10%, than nothing.
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| Quote: Traffic " the things Crusaders do to make the off season interesting for everyone else eh?'"
.....actually makes the off-season interesting watching the anti-anythingtherfldo gang come out in droves....I'd swear some of these posters only post between October and Feb every year
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| Quote: gutterfax ".....actually makes the off-season interesting watching the anti-anythingtherfldo gang come out in droves....I'd swear some of these posters only post between October and Feb every year
They follow the same pattern as the backanythingdumbassthattherfldo brigade
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| Well administration wasn't a sudden decision in my opinion, backed up by the formation of a new company W Crusaders on the 20th Oct, along with the removal of the 'no adminsitration' criteria by the RFL around the same time, oh and the Administrators being from just down the road from Red Hall
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