Lovegrove's stats last season were very impreesive and he won the Players Player of the Year award.
Still a baby in terms of his age and the position he plays.
How you can call him poor quality having just resigned Ewan 'Tackle Buster' Dowes is laughable.

Like I said before Lovegrove was a promising young kid better than what we had and scored 5 tries in only 9 games, 2 in the game that could have been the deciding game for us to stay in SL or be relegated, so he is justified and he has been improving ever since and last season was a standout and still only 24.
Fisher was already here with halifax and he was fantastic in NL1 and a catalyst to us getting promotion and is still our best hooker with Hodgson up and coming. Again a justified signing in our quest for promotion to SL and a good role model for Hodgson.
Green is like I said better than what is available and if he is anywhere near as good as dobson he will be a great aquisition regardless of nationality, time will tell as it did with I'Anson.



You compared them first on similar amount of tackles but because Lovegrove had missed lots more you made out he must be an inferior player without knowing anything else about him, thats why I came back with the comparison on metres, so he contributes as much if not more in other ares i.e. loads more metres. So not the poor player you were making out by comparison.



Yes I'd rather do that than take on 3 x 16/17 stone blokes wanting to knock my head off and still make nearly 7.5 metres a carry.
Prop is a very tough position and his contribution is more than a lot of experienced props in sl and valuable to our team.



Then compare him to the props in sl, and I'll think you'll find he is far from the poor player you are making him out to be at 24 years old.

If none of a batch make it, that is a failure of that group. There will be failures from time to time, but we should typically producing 1 or 2 SL quality players each year. I'll judge our system over 4-5 years. If we get one freakishly good batch, that isn't a final victory either. It has to be on going.


It is what I believe. I'm biassed, but I don't believe I am being biassed on this. Lyne should be ready for regular SL next year or the year after that.

Its the same when clubs trumpet signing ten 16-year olds as though this means something. They know darn well that the chances of more than 1 or 2 even making first grade are slim, let alone being stars. The reality is some of those kids are just bodies to make up the numbers in Academy sides.

How anyone can defend 10 overseas players in a squad is beyond me. I wouldn't even defend Leeds having 6 overseas players. Way too many, and of those only three were star players in Webb, Buderus and Lauti'iti. You'd struggle to get many Aussies who could even recall the likes of Delaney, Cross and Leuluai.

Green isnt better than what is available, in fact i would be suprised if you had actually ever seen him play and were relying on anything but your one-eyed club bias to back up that statement.

These players being better than the players you have brought through whilst you have admittedly neglected your youth development system isnt justification for you signing them to the detriment of young british players.

He is inferior in defense, which was what he was being compared on. he doesnt miss a few more tackles, he misses lots more tackles.

whether you want to do it or not isnt relevant, it is whether the 80minutes O'loughlin puts in expends more or less energy than the 50 mins Lovegrove puts in.

i have, and on a range of point he isnt a top class player, he is a plodder who makes yards, makes tackles, misses tackles and does very little else

You've seen a lot of Green yourself then? Green has been signed to replace a 'mature' player like Cooke. I'anson didn't quite make and has been replaced by Bell.

If there are better mature british players than Green available, what do you think Hull KR's motivation is in ignoring them?

I'm actually torn between thinking Hull KR should bend with the wind and thinking stuff it. But the the former is giving in to idiocy IMO.

I recall you wishing Cas well at our expense, because they brought through more kids. With Shenton and now Westerman leaving it seems that their model had a flaw. Virtue for virtue's sake is rarely rewarded.

There are a few of great quality, Mcguire, Pryce, Eastmond, Tomkins, Myler, Burrow, Brough, Long are all quality players, Horne, Robinson, Brown, Smith, Briers are all good players. theres 13 for you right there.
Theres Wood, Southernwood, McNally, all 20/21 ready to step into first grade if they are ever going to. All have moved clubs since HKA have been in SL, there is no excuse for not signing them other than lack of forward planning. Green is 24, he should be embarrassed if he isnt better prepared than a 20 year old. The fact is you will never prepare the 20 year old because you wont sign him, instead you go for a 24 year old NRL reject.


And, if he isnt good enough for the NRL he isnt good enough, the fact he is 24 and proved this is a negative, not a positive.

or any of the many british halfbacks who are 'up to it' and remember, at this stage, it is only 'hopefully' that Green is up to it, he has yet to prove he is. So what you are really saying it is either a young British half back who wants to prove themselves and hopefully they are up to it, or its a 24 year old NRL reject who wants to prove themselves and hopefully they are up to it.

exactly, without seeing him play, for some reason 'everytime' you will choose a 24 year old Australian who has proved he isnt NRL quality rather than a 23 year old a year further behind in fulfilling his potential, who hasnt proved he is SL quality.

well we will believe when we see it. It was on this thread Hull KA fans were telling us they were bringing through the likes of Mariano, who at 23 apparently wasnt ready to go into SL without a pack full of Australians but was a quality youngster developed by HKA.

the British players clearly are up to it. We know this because the play SL, often for teams better than your mid-table outfit.

The Aussies arent always of better quality, again we know this because the british players play for SL sides, often better than your mid-table outfit.


And? Blake Green, Rhys Lovegrove and Ben Fisher probably arent in the top 300 Antipodean players, so the fact that not all our best players are as good as the top Antipodean players is irrelevant.


your right, they have no need to bring over all our players because they put the effort into youth development and earn the rewards. They dont just ignore it and rely on someone thousands of miles away to train people up for them.


Well, clearly you know more than that ridiculous Tim Sheens bloke, I mean he only wins NRL titles, four nations titles and manages Australia, the fool.


If everybody in the league went in to the season with all british lads and leeds finished 10th, then that is where we deserved to finish. You wouldnt be going over and above your duty by only bringing in 8 overseas players, or 7 overseas players. In fact you would have the same as pretty much everyone else.

What you wouldnt be able to do is seek an advantage by employing more overseas players than everyone else. Is that what you are actually wanting and defending?

I dont need to see him to know a 24 year old NRL reject wont be in the best interests of the league long term.

£££££££££££, you can also replace a mature player with a developing player, in fact, ideally thats who it would be.