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Quote: Ste100Centurions "Yes, DB is definitely positioning Leigh as a Club to be ready to take the place of 'any' SL Club that should fail, not just Toronto. In doing so I believe he has been using his smarts to achieve a level of success he wants for Leigh.

I really don't care what the likes of The West End Tinker believe or try to promote, Leigh are *the most ready* for Super League club there is, above Toronto, Toulouse, Fev & London because .....

Leigh has
1. None of the intrinsic issues of Toronto *though Toronto have value long term*.
2. Have been the stand out Championship Club more often & more recently than any other.
3. Performed well in Super League 2017 & did not finish bottom, beating Wigan, St Helens, Warrington & Hull & running Leeds extremely close, in fact Leigh were very close to most, only being beaten by a margin a couple of times.
4. We averaged circa 6,800 attendance across all SL competitions inc Play Offs, the 8th best supported club in Super League ! Given a half decent run in SL & with only a modicum of success *top 8 finishes* Leigh could easily match the average attendances of Cas for example.
4. We have a modern near 12,000 capacity stadium.
5. Leigh have more fans, a better stadium & are more successful than Fev & Toulouse !
*Fev are a strong club & Toulouse have massive value in terms of the Catalan/France development connection & I would love to see them both in SL eventually*
6. Leigh fans travel & in big numbers compared to others, Wigan for example are absolutely dire for the size of club they are, this puts cash through all the clubs they visit.
7. Leigh have an owner who has & is prepared to invest in the playing roster.
8. London appears to have some minor success in the amateur game but 800 home fans is a joke ! Any club that is outnumbered by away fans has issues, serious issues ! When a Club has to change name & location more often than a corner shop you just know that the people of London don't want it !!!!

Of course there is value in other clubs, Fev, Toulouse, York, Newcastle. I wish Halifax were stronger, Widnes seem to be in transition or decline.

I don't discount Toronto long term, but I believe the way they have operated is tantamount to treason ! I would love for Canadian & U.S.A RL to take off in a massive way but it should be in a very structured manner & transparent & fair, I just don't see that at the moment !

If anyone can truly say that Leigh will not offer as much value as Salford, Huddersfield, Wakefield or Cas I will listen *but not necessarily agree* !'"


So, Leigh make a few big signings (allegedly) and you want in ?

I'd be happy for Leigh to earn promotion but, if its for sale then, lets just see who has most money in their pockets.
Leigh did brighten up SL while they were there but, no more so than London, who were very unlucky not to survive, only getting relegated on the last day.
It could make a right mess of fixtures but, if Toronto aren't coming back (I personally thing that they will), SL will have to run with 11 clubs.
Maybe Magic could instead be used for one of the Challenge Cup rounds (when the SL clubs join in) ?

Sorry but, it's a no from me.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "

SL will have to run with 11 clubs.
Maybe Magic could instead be used for one of the Challenge Cup rounds (when the SL clubs join in) ?

Sorry but, it's a no from me.'"


I actually agree with this. I think we should call it the "Magic Challenge" Weekend. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Cokey "I actually agree with this. I think we should call it the "Magic Challenge" Weekend.
And not forgetting the second point to not let Leigh try to buy into SL by having a large squad full of journeymen with no reserve team or junior development.

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Quote: wire-quin "And not forgetting the second point to not let Leigh try to buy into SL by having a large squad full of journeymen with no reserve team or junior development.'"


What is it with you? Why are you so obsessed with Leigh wanting to do well? I have never advocated that Leigh should be in SL on any criteria apart from P&R. What i have said some time ago is,whoever gets into SL, should do so on merit,that's why i said i agree with wrencat1873, that if TWP are not readmitted, then yes run with an 11 team SL for 2021. I suggest you go and sit down,and give your head a wobble. d040.gif

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Quote: Cokey "What is it with you? Why are you so obsessed with Leigh wanting to do well? I have never advocated that Leigh should be in SL on any criteria apart from P&R. What i have said some time ago is,whoever gets into SL, should do so on merit,that's why i said i agree with wrencat1873, that if TWP are not readmitted, then yes run with an 11 team SL for 2021. '"


Running with an 11 club Superlague is very problematic. These short term problems can be solved immediately by Leigh stepping up for next season.

At the end of the season the TV deal runs out so Superleague can then decide what shape and content they will have under a new reduced deal.

So the idea Leigh should not be promoted because they don't have a long term player development strategy is an irrelevance.

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Quote: Donnyman "Running with an 11 club Superlague is very problematic. These short term problems can be solved immediately by Leigh stepping up for next season.

At the end of the season the TV deal runs out so Superleague can then decide what shape and content they will have under a new reduced deal.

So the idea Leigh should not be promoted because they don't have a long term player development strategy is an irrelevance.'"


Yes I get all that,and hope Leigh do get admitted,But just to appease the anti Leigh mob, I am just reiterating that any club should be promoted on merit in my view. I also understand the current dilemma due to the phoney TWP antics which have caused all this mess. Que sera sera.

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Quote: Cokey "Yes I get all that,and hope Leigh do get admitted,But just to appease the anti Leigh mob, I am just reiterating that any club should be promoted on merit in my view. I also understand the current dilemma due to the phoney TWP antics which have caused all this mess. Que sera sera.'"


Any club that was chosen to be "promoted" from the Championship, even on some kind of "franchise type criteria" would be open to all sorts of questions.
Depending who was setting the criteria would give advantage to one club or other.
What criteria would carry most weight ?

Fev were beaten finalists in the last Championship play off final
Leigh have been there before and appear to be assembling a very strong squad.
Toulouse, sit top of the "suspended" Championship comp
Widnes, decent facilities and ground, plus plenty of fans
London, just for the "kudos" of having a club in the Capital
Bradford, sleeping "giant" potential to bring some decent numbers of fans

A case could be made for any of the above and by picking any club, there could be a legal challenge from some of the unlucky ones - for this reason, if Toronto dont come back, SL should run with 11 clubs and use "magic" for one of the rounds of the Challenge Cup.

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Quote: Cokey "Yes I get all that,and hope Leigh do get admitted,But just to appease the anti Leigh mob, I am just reiterating that any club should be promoted on merit in my view. I also understand the current dilemma due to the phoney TWP antics which have caused all this mess. Que sera sera.'"


Quote: Cokey "What is it with you? Why are you so obsessed with Leigh wanting to do well? I have never advocated that Leigh should be in SL on any criteria apart from P&R. What i have said some time ago is,[sizewhoever gets into SL, should do so on merit,that's why i said i agree with wrencat1873, that if TWP are not readmitted, then yes run with an 11 team SL for 2021.[/size

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Quote: Cokey "Any club that was chosen to be "promoted" from the Championship, even on some kind of "franchise type criteria" would be open to all sorts of questions.
Depending who was setting the criteria would give advantage to one club or other.
What criteria would carry most weight ?

Fev were beaten finalists in the last Championship play off final
Leigh have been there before and appear to be assembling a very strong squad.
Toulouse, sit top of the "suspended" Championship comp
Widnes, decent facilities and ground, plus plenty of fans
London, just for the "kudos" of having a club in the Capital
Bradford, sleeping "giant" potential to bring some decent numbers of fans

A case could be made for any of the above and by picking any club, there could be a legal challenge from some of the unlucky ones - for this reason, if Toronto dont come back, SL should run with 11 clubs and use "magic" for one of the rounds of the Challenge Cup.'"


TBF - I think your post would be more relevant to the one below.
Cheers Cokey, putting me in with Donny is a very low blow - mandatory count 1, 2, 3, ........

However, you know that simply isn't the case.
Any club "promoted" for next season, assuming that they dont have any major problems, would be in the box seat for the following season, unless they were in the relegation spot icon_eek.gif

With the current situation, it would be a brave person to predict very much about future events and RL is no different.

Tbf, I'm not sure how many clubs will get through the winter without the usual season ticket sales and let's face it, how does anyone sell season tickets, when there is no likelihood of supporters being allowed into games, especially at the start of the season in February ? and even then, had clubs sold S/T's, it may be that not everyone would be allowed in.

It's a right old mess

The problem, in general terms, could be even worse in The Championship and League 1, as S/T's make up a hefty share of their income too and without any TV monies.

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Quote: Donnyman "Running with an 11 club Superlague is very problematic. These short term problems can be solved immediately by Leigh stepping up for next season.

At the end of the season the TV deal runs out so Superleague can then decide what shape and content they will have under a new reduced deal.

So the idea Leigh should not be promoted because they don't have a long term player development strategy is an irrelevance.'"

If you are advocating that Leigh should step up for next season because it would cause the least problems, and I personally have no problems who steps in least of all Leigh, then your argument is flawed when you say that the Sky deal with super league finishes after next season, that being the case if it's for next season only then providing Toronto give assurances for next season why can't it be them on the basis of your logic.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Cheers Cokey, putting me in with Donny is a very low blow Any club "promoted" for next season, assuming that they don't have any major problems, would be in the box seat for the following season '"


Because you say so? Since when did you run the league? Let me know??

Nobody is in the "box seat" 2022 when Superleague faces the end of this long TV deal and goes onto a much reduced deal. All bets are off under a new deal that will see many clubs lose TV funding altogether. For all you know, which isn't much, Leigh may be only given a one year "licence" for next year? If HKR have lost Hudgell how are they going to be "in the box seat"?

If we go to 10 and there has been a vote on a 2x10 SL then how would Wakefield fare against York to be in SL1 if they chose that on licensing??

let me know the answers to those questions please if you have a crystal ball and can see who are in the Box seats for SL 2022?.

Thanks heavens I aren't "in with" you and your mate icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

For those that could not stop indicating we have a problem.........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/54695638
Quote: wrencat1873 "Cheers Cokey, putting me in with Donny is a very low blow Any club "promoted" for next season, assuming that they don't have any major problems, would be in the box seat for the following season '"


Because you say so? Since when did you run the league? Let me know??

Nobody is in the "box seat" 2022 when Superleague faces the end of this long TV deal and goes onto a much reduced deal. All bets are off under a new deal that will see many clubs lose TV funding altogether. For all you know, which isn't much, Leigh may be only given a one year "licence" for next year? If HKR have lost Hudgell how are they going to be "in the box seat"?

If we go to 10 and there has been a vote on a 2x10 SL then how would Wakefield fare against York to be in SL1 if they chose that on licensing??

let me know the answers to those questions please if you have a crystal ball and can see who are in the Box seats for SL 2022?.

Thanks heavens I aren't "in with" you and your mate icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

For those that could not stop indicating we have a problem.........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/54695638


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