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stop it! You are looking more foolish by the post icon_lol.gif

You stated that you believed that the Bomb was an idea introduced to RL from Gridiron.....your stupid attempts to try to turn this into a which code came first debate/history lesson are laughable.

Rugby Football....became Rugby Union and Rugby League........The Eton Wall game predates Rugby Football and the high kick chased by players comes from that.
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Quote: gutterfax "stop it! You are looking more foolish by the post
the name of the game in 1895 was NORTHERN UNION.

not northern league. the rule changes we associate with RL didnt happen in 1895.

the game played by NU clubs was the same pre and post 1895 until 1907.

ie the game of rugby

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Quote: dally messenger "the name of the game in 1895 was NORTHERN UNION.

not northern league. the rule changes we associate with RL didnt happen in 1895.

the game played by NU clubs was the same pre and post 1895 until 1907.

ie the game of rugby'"


wrong (you're up early by the way)

Rugby Football was the original game........Union and League are just the two of games that came from it. American Football is also a decendant of Rugby Football.

In the late 1800's, various rules were applied according to where you played the game (mostly English Public Schools).......the myth about WW Ellis aside, the rules that were adapted to unify the game into 1 universal code were drawn up at Rugby School.....hense it became Rugby Football as opposed to Association Football.

Prior to these rules, handling of the ball was allowed, but not funning towards the goal line of the other team.......at some stage, this became permitted and the split from Association Football was complete. The Ball shape comes from the old leather/pig skin that used to get out of shape from all the handling.

Dally....you are out of your depth here....please don't stop. I am enjoying this so much. icon_cool.gif
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Quote: dally messenger "he took the name and the tactic and adapted it to RL. since we dont allow forward passes im guessing he thought a kick could replace the tactic.

makes gibson even smarter'"


I'm pretty sure I've seen people in other forms of football kicking it long in the hope that their big lad would beat the defender to the ball. Who'd have thought that Lombardi was so influential?

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Quote: dally messenger "the name of the game in 1895 was NORTHERN UNION.

not northern league. the rule changes we associate with RL didnt happen in 1895.

the game played by NU clubs was the same pre and post 1895 until 1907.

ie the game of rugby'"


Just not true, Dally. For example, we dropped the lineout in 1897 and made many other changes in the years that followed - probably more in the first 10 years than in the 100 since. American football also ditched lineouts in the 1890s.

Also, the RFU was formed in 1871. They played international game against Scotland that year, too.

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Back on topic; I found something under my dad's bed while cleaning out, it's from 97ish, but it's just a cutout, no idea who it's by.
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As the Super League War warriors prepare to go over the top. We look to American inspiration to see perhaps the answer. Rugby League in Australia is at a crossroads, and it can either destroy or rise from the ashes as a better and newer competition that will inevitably become, perhaps, the biggest sport in Australia, and with a bit of work, the Biggest Sport in the Pacific. Rugby Union's thus far modest growth, despite the Super 12 going quite well, cannot be matched with the potential of the growth of the faster, and in my opinion better, footy game in this country.

But to do this, we must see the reconciliation of the ARL and News, and if there differences cannot be resolved into a single entity, perhaps a American Solution, as in the NFL-AFL Merger. The AFL, which was created as a direct competitor of the NFL, ended merging, changing the game forever. It created two conferences, the American Football Conference and the National Football Conference. The same could happen here. The ARL could become the Australian Footy Conference, and the Super League, the Super or National Footy Conference, each could be split into two divisions. Western and Eastern, of course, there would have to be a moved around.

I would suggest the Crushers moving to the National (Super League) Conference, perhaps relocating them to Ipswich would create a competitive team. In the Australian Conference, several changes would be made. As a large amount of followers are settled there, Sunshine Coast is a perfect place to relocate Manly. Hunter is inviable, therefore will be merged with Newcastle, and the Knights will be renamed Hunter Valley Knights. Norths will be relocated to Central Coast, the Eels merged with Tigers, and the Penrith with Wests.

Both Conferences would have a coherent play-off system, and would end up with a Super Bowl style 'Australia Game' played in one of the grounds. This would give a marquee event to the game, one that's needed.

In structural changes, the Super League will take over International Rugby, as the ideas floated seem to be good ones, Oceania Cup was a, mild, success, but the World Nines gave us a innovation, and was the sort of idea that world rugby needs. The ARL would keep the rights to State of Origin, and the right to select the National Team. They would have the right to own shares in all the 10 AFC teams.

So, we'll end up with this;
National Conference
Brisbane Broncos
Cronulla Sharks
Canberra Raiders
Bulldogs
Penrith Panthers
Ipswich-Logan Crushers - Replacing South Queensland
Auckland Warriors
Western Reds
Adelaide Rams
North Queensland

Australian Conference
Sunshine Coast Sea Eagles - Moved from Manly
Hunter Knights - Newcastle/Hunter Merger
Paramatta Tigers - Eels/Balmain Merger
Central Coast Bears - Moved from North Sydney
Eastern Roosters
Illawarra Steelers
Gold Coast
Penrith Magpies - Panthers/Wests Merger
St George Dragons
South Sydney Rabbitohs
'"


Interesting article. Wonder if this would have worked.

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And while we're at it, the term "Garryowen" used by ruggah types who can't bring themselves to say up'n'under or bomb comes from the Irish Rugby Union club of the same name - who made the tactic famous in the [i1920s[/i.

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Quote: JonM "And while we're at it, the term "Garryowen" used by ruggah types who can't bring themselves to say up'n'under or bomb comes from the Irish Rugby Union club of the same name - who made the tactic famous in the [i1920s[/i.'"


Those posh Irish types ripped off Gibson and used a time travel device to falsify history.

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Quote: Conorgiantsfan "Back on topic; I found something under my dad's bed while cleaning out, it's from 97ish, but it's just a cutout, no idea who it's by.
Interesting article. Wonder if this would have worked.'"


Interesting indeed.

Having two conferences would be a great way forward for the game down under. More expansion clubs and retaining the old fashioned Sydney rivalries sounds perfect.

The potential is there to expand the game as much as they would like. New Zealand rugby league would have huge potential benefits and PNG if they could find a way to bring professional rugby into their country.

The gap between Aus/Nz and GB is going to get wider icon_cry.gif

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That system, implemented 97ish would have been perfect. Now, I don't know. Conferences are the way forward, but this system was based on old division.

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Quote: JonM "And while we're at it, the term "Garryowen" used by ruggah types who can't bring themselves to say up'n'under or bomb comes from the Irish Rugby Union club of the same name - who made the tactic famous in the [i1920s[/i.'"

Played there on more than one occassion...great Rugby Club. One of the urban myths is that ALL union clubs are packed with Posh Public Schoolboy types....I doubt any of the Munster lads I know would ever fall into the posh category icon_biggrin.gif ....more like culchie redneck gobs.... icon_cool.gif

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Quote: JonM "Just not true, Dally. For example, we dropped the lineout in 1897 and made many other changes in the years that followed - probably more in the first 10 years than in the 100 since. American football also ditched lineouts in the 1890s.

Also, the RFU was formed in 1871. They played international game against Scotland that year, too.'"


1906/7 was when the major changes were made, i think from memory dropping 2 players and bringing in the ptb.

have a look at when wigan, hull or huddersfield were formed, its all before 1871.

rugby pre dates the establishment of ru

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Quote: Conorgiantsfan "Back on topic; I found something under my dad's bed while cleaning out, it's from 97ish, but it's just a cutout, no idea who it's by.
Interesting article. Wonder if this would have worked.'"

interesting article.

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rl1908.com./History/1906.htm


major rule changes in 1906. so for 11 years it was basically the old rugby

rl1908.com./History/northern-union.htm

talks about the "new rugby" ie rugby league in 1906.
rl1908.com./History/1906.htm


major rule changes in 1906. so for 11 years it was basically the old rugby

rl1908.com./History/northern-union.htm

talks about the "new rugby" ie rugby league in 1906.


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rl1908.com./History/1895.htm

talks of the history of the rugby game

note rugby game is not rugby union

all that happened in 1895 is that many northern rugby clubs elected to have a new governing body to control the sport rather than be run by the rfu

thats all.
rl1908.com./History/1895.htm

talks of the history of the rugby game

note rugby game is not rugby union

all that happened in 1895 is that many northern rugby clubs elected to have a new governing body to control the sport rather than be run by the rfu

thats all.


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