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This discussion has digressed from the main subject: which is how to retain and expand the interest of the Canadian public in rugby league when their club is steamrollering all comers.

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Quote: GUBRATS "But actually it is how it started , the NZ clubs currently playing in the Mitre 10 cup supply players to their regional Super Rugby clubs

The Wellington Lions were the capitals main club , they still exist but play in the aforementioned Mitre 10 cup along with other nearby clubs that come under the ' Hurricanes ' Super Rugby area

That IS how they did it'"

You have chosen to use New Zealand as an example, they are the most powerful rugby union nation.

A fair comparison would be Japan. They now have a super rugby team. They did not need to gain promotion, they were a brand new club formed in 2015 and they are not threatened by relegation. The first domestic league to start in Japan was in 2003.

To compare this with Canada rugby league, the first domestic league started in 2010.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "You have chosen to use New Zealand as an example, they are the most powerful rugby union nation.

A fair comparison would be Japan. They now have a super rugby team. They did not need to gain promotion and are not threatened by relegation. The first domestic league to start in Japan was in 2003.

To compare this with Canada rugby league, the first domestic league started in 2010.'"


I have used NZ to show how the Super Rugby franchise competition was set up , ie all the existing clubs continued in a national comp but new clubs were set up on a regional basis using the old clubs as feeders

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Quote: GUBRATS "But actually it is how it started , the NZ clubs currently playing in the Mitre 10 cup supply players to their regional Super Rugby clubs

The Wellington Lions were the capitals main club , they still exist but play in the aforementioned Mitre 10 cup along with other nearby clubs that come under the ' Hurricanes ' Super Rugby area

That IS how they did it'"

that, isnt this

[idump ALL current clubs into a Championship 2 nd tier

Set up 10 new clubs playing regionally at several different stadia ( Yorkshire playing out of McAlpine,Elland Rd,Hillsborough,Doncaster,KC ) Lancs playing out of any decent stadia ( lots more choice in Lancs ) and so on [/i

None of this is necessary, nor is it how Super Rugby works.

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clearly Toronto are above this level, which hopefully means they can use a lot more Canadian, US and Jamaican players in their home games, and get a decent core of players up to standard for next year.

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Quote: roopy "clearly Toronto are above this level, which hopefully means they can use a lot more Canadian, US and Jamaican players in their home games, and get a decent core of players up to standard for next year.'"


Good idea. Pity that you can't suggest that to Mr Perez.

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Toronto have 4 Canadians, 2 Americans and 1 Jamaican in fulltime training. They are aware they need to get them on the field as often as they can, especially in the home games.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Good idea. Pity that you can't suggest that to Mr Perez.'"


It would be akin to cruelty.
Putting rookies in against seasoned players wont end well for anyone.
Thats not to sat that they cant blood some new players but, let's face it, Toronto will have to play "foreigners" for 5/10 years and even then, if they are successful, there may be a slow trickle of homegrown players.
This is the main argument against this sort of expansion.

Having said that, Toronto, is one of the most exciting developments in our sport for decades and if there is anything like a decent level of success, which in the short/medium term would be competing in the top half of the Championship, that will be great.
There would have to be a major rethink on either salary cap or quota numbers (non fed etc or, an exemption, to allow them to gain promotion and compete in SL.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "It would be akin to cruelty.
Putting rookies in against seasoned players wont end well for anyone.
Thats not to sat that they cant blood some new players but, let's face it, Toronto will have to play "foreigners" for 5/10 years and even then, if they are successful, there may be a slow trickle of homegrown players.
This is the main argument against this sort of expansion.

Having said that, Toronto, is one of the most exciting developments in our sport for decades and if there is anything like a decent level of success, which in the short/medium term would be competing in the top half of the Championship, that will be great.
There would have to be a major rethink on either salary cap or quota numbers (non fed etc or, an exemption, to allow them to gain promotion and compete in SL.'"
Rugby League has been played in North America for nearly 20 years now, and they have been playing at a decent standard for at least the last 5 years now. A few dozen players from Canada, the US and Jamaica have played in semi pro teams in Australia and England. If they could get every talented player with North American roots to commit to the Wolfpack, they could compete at this level with an all North American side. You seem to think they are pulling guys off the street and throwing jerseys at them, but they are in fact recruiting players with solid RL experience, and there are plenty to choose from. You might have missed it, but the US finished 8th in the last WC.

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It makes no difference how many years RL has been played in North America.The game will only flourish with the success of Toronto.Once the club is established then all other doors will open.Recruitment,homegrown players and Montreal becoming a reality is all based on the success of Toronto.

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Quote: atomic "It makes no difference how many years RL has been played in North America.The game will only flourish with the success of Toronto.Once the club is established then all other doors will open.Recruitment,homegrown players and Montreal becoming a reality is all based on the success of Toronto.'"
No it isn't.
Toronto is a great step forward, but League has been growing in North America strongly for 20 years.
In 1998 about 10 staff members of the Glen Mills schools started having Friday afternoon "scrimmages", led by former Saint George halfback David Nui, and from that, this year about 60 teams will take the field across the US, Canada and Jamaica. All that happened without Toronto, and if Toronto fell over today, the sport will keep growing strongly in North America.
Toronto is important, and should accelerate things nicely, but it isn't everything. A lot of guys have worked really hard for a lot of years to set the platform for this to happen.
If Toronto works, half a dozen teams will follow in the coming years, and the obvious next step is for them to form a North American professional league.

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Quote: roopy "No it isn't.
Toronto is a great step forward, but League has been growing in North America strongly for 20 years.
In 1998 about 10 staff members of the Glen Mills schools started having Friday afternoon "scrimmages", led by former Saint George halfback David Nui, and from that, this year about 60 teams will take the field across the US, Canada and Jamaica. All that happened without Toronto, and if Toronto fell over today, the sport will keep growing strongly in North America.
Toronto is important, and should accelerate things nicely, but it isn't everything. A lot of guys have worked really hard for a lot of years to set the platform for this to happen.
If Toronto works, half a dozen teams will follow in the coming years, and the obvious next step is for them to form a North American professional league.'"
regardless of the success of Toronto or RL in north America, like les Catalans going back to a French league, it would be a backward step.

Pretty much all sports are gravitating towards a conference/play off structure with larger geographical spread. Even football has a defecto conference/playoff structure through the champions league. There seems no point RL finding success in widening the competition and rather than simply moving to the conference/play off structure, narrowing and atomising it's competition. The next steps shouldn't be a British competition , north American competition, French competition, but merging SL with the NRL to have one global competition.

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As per usual you use an example that has absolutely no relevance unless rugby league had a UK league and a separate European Champions league.

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Quote: DemonUK "As per usual you use an example that has absolutely no relevance unless rugby league had a UK league and a separate European Champions league.'"

Our nearest and closest (although much bigger) rival is rugby union. The professional leagues they have are, Eng Prem, Pro 12 (Wales, Ireland, Scotland and Italy), French league, Super Rugby (Aus, NZ, SA, Japan, Arg)

Rugby league has Super League and the NRL.

To expand our game we either need to make those leagues more multi national, or get a 3rd professional league going. The latter isn't going to happen without massive investment from the sport, if all profits from World Cups went into it maybe it could happen, but I don't think Eng and Aus would agree on that happening.

There is an appetite for the game in PNG, NZ, France, Canada and to a lesser extent USA and Wales. But they are not going to be able to make it happen on their own.

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Quote: DemonUK "As per usual you use an example that has absolutely no relevance unless rugby league had a UK league and a separate European Champions league.'"
what? I'm sure you think you have a point here but God knows what it is. I drew no parallel between RL and football simply pointed out that the football structure has a de facto conference/play off structure, the route most sports have gravitated towards these days.

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