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| There is so much drivel on here... Firstly... Players were not fighting with their own 'fans'. They were sorting out some people that came along for the day who rarely attend any games whatsoever.
I've been watching Salford home and away for over 30 years, and talk of Salford having a history of this is crap. I've seen comments about trouble at The Willows which stopped people going... 30 years I stood in that ground and I've never seen bricks thrown from Salford supporters, and can only recall one incident in that time... which was started by Saints fans singing 'Munich'.
At worst it's usually a some idiot tanked up and throwing a beer following a decision that they don't understand. I'm also led to believe that one of the key people in the images is actually a Wigan supporter who came along for the day... so should we look at having a pop at Wigan fans too ? Answer... no.
I've refused to comment so far because I wasn't involved... But I'm pretty sure there are some people on those pics that were also in the middle of this trying to stop the situation from getting worse that have been caught at the wrong time by the photographer... which then will make them a suspect when perhaps they shouldn't be. A photograph doesn't always tell the full story.
The club will see video footage of this and make a decision on what to do next.
Every club has it's balloons... But every clubs supporters by majority are good, decent and honest people... and Salford are no different.
Bank Holiday games bring out an excuse to get tanked up. I'd be more than happy to see a dry ground... but of course that will never happen because of the money involved. Crowds and profits would dip... But I'm all for that... coming to a game should be about watching the sport rather than an excuse to have a few pints... Trouble often follows a few beers... and I'd imagine this is no different.
Salford will need no encouragement from anybody to investigate this. They won't need warnings, fines or points deductions... they are on it and will do what ever is required to ensure it doesn't happen again. A club shouldn't be punished because a few people who came along for one game and ruined it for everyone. The club will be hurting right now, and the real fans will hurt too.
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| Quote: LoyalFan "Salford will need no encouragement from anybody to investigate this. They won't need warnings, fines or points deductions... they are on it and will do what ever is required to ensure it doesn't happen again. A club shouldn't be punished because a few people who came along for one game and ruined it for everyone. The club will be hurting right now, and the real fans will hurt too.'"
I've said the same thing before - but there has to be some sanction from the governing body and since they have no power to sanction the individuals involved, the club has to be the proxy; Salford will face censure, just as Castleford did when a few idiots chanted at Gareth Thomas, and more recently Wakefield, when a tiny minority of supporters misbehaved at the MPG.
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| Sadly there was a steward and a child hurt in this. It wasn't just those at the front either- stewards had to go into the crowd well before this incident and deal with two seperate incidents with two seperate groups towards the back of the crowd, then before this melee someone near the front set off a flare. To suggest "they weren't Salford fans" is rubbish. They were sat with Salford fans in the Salford side of the ground so were Salford fans. I can understand decent Salford fans trying to distance themselves from idiots- but they are your idiots and there were more than one group of them. Last May the Salford club stated they would give life bans to fans who caused trouble in the game between hudds and Salford at the AJ bell. (Fighting in lumps outside the stadium then too) So looks like they still have problems.
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| Quote: jools "To suggest "they weren't Salford fans" is rubbish. They were sat with Salford fans in the Salford side of the ground so were Salford fans. '"
When you put a dog in a stable... Is it a horse ?
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| Quote: LoyalFan "When you put a dog in a stable... Is it a horse ?'"
No , but the horses in it would kick it out
I have the utmost sympathy , most clubs can end up attracting ' numptys ' with a bit of success , hope it and they can get it sorted
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| Without having multiple camera angles and video from different sources it is impossible to say how serious this incident was or how many involved so comments about it being blown out of oroportion etc are ridiculous
The big issue is how this actually looks.
For a game that prides itself on
being a family game
female friendly
good links with players and fans
looking good on TV
needing good publicity
this is an absolute disaster.
Whilst the 50 or 100 people on here might try to put it in it's context this is irrelevant
IT is all over the BBC, Guardian, Dai;ly mail, sun internet, twitter etc
What hundreds of thousands will see is morons fighting, women and kids being scared and hurt, players fighting in the crowd
unfortunarely this means that the RFL will have to make an example of the players the fans and the club.
Anything less will be picked up on as weakness and not sending the right message.
I feel very sorry for the players because they responded in the way that anyone in their position would and i actually applaud what they did in the same way that i did with eric cantona but they will have to be punished to set an example.
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| Quote: GUBRATS "No , but the horses in it would kick it out '"
I hope the editors of 'Horse and Hound' magazine are aware of the fact that horses don't like dogs
I think you'll find that the 'Horses' in the stable will do whatever they can to kick out the 'dogs' and stop them from ever coming into the stable again.
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| Quote: LoyalFan "I hope the editors of 'Horse and Hound' magazine are aware of the fact that horses don't like dogs
I concur , and wish you the best of in achieving it , there but for the grace of god go all of us
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Without having multiple camera angles and video from different sources it is impossible to say how serious this incident was or how many involved so comments about it being blown out of oroportion etc are ridiculous
The big issue is how this actually looks.
For a game that prides itself on
being a family game
female friendly
good links with players and fans
looking good on TV
needing good publicity
this is an absolute disaster.
Whilst the 50 or 100 people on here might try to put it in it's context this is irrelevant
IT is all over the BBC, Guardian, Dai;ly mail, sun internet, twitter etc
What hundreds of thousands will see is morons fighting, women and kids being scared and hurt, players fighting in the crowd
unfortunarely this means that the RFL will have to make an example of the players the fans and the club.
Anything less will be picked up on as weakness and not sending the right message.
I feel very sorry for the players because they responded in the way that anyone in their position would and i actually applaud what they did in the same way that i did with eric cantona but they will have to be punished to set an example.'"
I don't quite see who was in danger when Eric Cantona kung fu kicked a spectator shouting abuse at him?
I can't see anything happening to the players to be honest. It would cause outrage if a player is fined or banned for protecting their family... Unless their family were being provocative, which I haven't heard any reports of.
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| Quote: LoyalFan "I hope the editors of 'Horse and Hound' magazine are aware of the fact that horses don't like dogs
Like they did following the problems at the AJ bell last May?
Either it's the same dogs so the horses have been ineffective, or you have a problem in that you are attracting new dogs and need to find out why. Don't bury your head in the straw. This isn't a one off- don't pretend the dogs are just one off visitors.
All clubs have idiots. Don't pretend they aren't fans.
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| The only way RL can get lead story on the BBC Sport website, a few idiots fighting, nice.
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| Quote: jools "Like they did following the problems at the AJ bell last May?
Either it's the same dogs so the horses have been ineffective, or you have a problem in that you are attracting new dogs and need to find out why. Don't bury your head in the straw. This isn't a one off- don't pretend the dogs are just one off visitors.
All clubs have idiots. Don't pretend they aren't fans.'"
There are a number of one off visitors in those photos... Just have to believe me on this one. This is a new problem not an old one rearing it's head again.
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| Quote: Raimond "My god, reading this has wound me up. As usual, half the people on here speak reasonable common sense that represents the average decent bloke and rugby league fan, the other half speak utter chip on shoulder b******.
Yes, the Daily Mail is bigoted and Tory- what the hell has that got to do with what happened here??! IT HAPPENNED. There's pictures & videos, widespread reports & condemnation, not a bloody 'agenda'!! It could've been your little girl in the middle of that, your wife stood next to punches being thrown. Yes there's been worse happen at football but that's normally amongst themselves, not with little kids about. Bloody disgrace, should've taken a few of them out the back and let Carney & Sau sort it out.'"
You think the Daily Mail [idoesn't[/i have an agenda? The Daily Mail?
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| Quote: LoyalFan "There are a number of one off visitors in those photos... Just have to believe me on this one. This is a new problem not an old one rearing it's head again.'"
I'm not saying you're right or wrong but these idiots have put a stain on your club that will stick for a while. The RFL have to do something and that will be in the form of a fine / sanctions for the club. If the RFL say there is nothing we can do, these weren't RL fans then they will look more incompetent than they usually do.
It was a rugby league match, inside the stadium, involving people who had attached themselves to Salford, be it for the day or lifelong fans.
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It's a disgusting sh|thouse purveyor of hate, racism and aggression. And sadly is only slightly worse than the other billionaire-owned newspapers and media.
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