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| Quote AdmiralHanson="AdmiralHanson"And what about the Football League's promotion and relegation system, where the top two teams are autmatically promoted and the next four PLAY OFF for the remaining spot ?
Meaning that a team that potentially finishes 7th could jump somone who finished 3rd ...
I don't see too many soccer fans bleating about it, apart from Phil Neal when it happend to him.'"
Promotion and relegation, now there's an idea! 
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| Its very interesting the different mindsets.
I cant imagine wanting anything more than that one big game, that one last challenge, a chance to perform under pressure. The winner get the trophy, the loser leaves the country.
How can you not want that!
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"I said ' world class sport ' , there is only one , and in most if not all those competitions they use a league system to decide their Champions'"
what about basketball? Cricket? Ice Hockey? all have a global presence
what about football in the US? Australia? Brazil?
maybe it would be easier for you to list all the major competitions, besides top tier European Association football that use a straight league format
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| Quote t-r-i-n-i-t-y="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"[urlhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-league/2009/10/03/wilkin-stop-this-play-off-hype-115875-21718885/[/url
Are there any other players out there who can string a sentance together or is Wilkin the only rent-a-gob we have?
Sample stupidity this week:
Does he think that Saints' were champions they past couple of years then?

Why is it so difficult to grasp that finishing top does not make you the 'Champion Team' it makes you the 'League Leaders'?
Please, can we find someone else to !'"
You should read HKRs former Wigan fullback Shaun Briscoe in the League Weekly. He praises everything so much, he is embarrassing. He is the polar opposite of Jons views: maybe it's a HKR thing, as that is where we signed Mr Wilkin from. 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Yes , so why a play off , or are you not paying attention , as that is what this whole thread is about'"
Because under the current fixture list teams do not have identical schedules so the league table is not a fair reflection of who has been the best team over the 27 weekly rounds.
Hence the only valid way to decide the champions under the current system is by a play-off between the top teams over those weekly rounds.
If the fixture list was 26 rounds home and away then there may be more of an argument for disposing of the playoffs.
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| Being a great sporting team is about both consistency and performing under pressure. The Super League system rewards teams who can do both - and that is the mark of a champion team.
Teams who can perform under pressure are rewarded in the Challenge Cup - Warrington are a good pressure side but not a consistent one - hence why they got rewarded in the CC and didn't even make the playoffs in the league.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"what about basketball? Cricket? Ice Hockey? all have a global presence
what about football in the US? Australia? Brazil?
maybe it would be easier for you to list all the major competitions, besides top tier European Association football that use a straight league format'"
I said World class Not american or commonwealth
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"Because under the current fixture list teams do not have identical schedules so the league table is not a fair reflection of who has been the best team over the 27 weekly rounds.Hence the only valid way to decide the champions under the current system is by a play-off between the top teams over those weekly rounds.
If the fixture list was 26 rounds home and away then there may be more of an argument for disposing of the playoffs.'"
Of course it isn't , if Celtic had won at the Magic weekend it all could have been so different
I couldn't give a rats harris about wether we have play offs or not , it is the rules at the start so those are the rules wether I like them or not , but it still is the preserve of second class sports
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"but it still is the preserve of second class sports'"
If those are the second class sports, what are the first class sports?
Always had you down as a leagie, not a soccer fan 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"I said World class Not american or commonwealth'"
Basketball and ice hockey are a lot more popular gloablly than you obviously realise.
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| Quote The Glorious League Freak="The Glorious League Freak"Its very interesting the different mindsets.
I cant imagine wanting anything more than that one big game, that one last challenge, a chance to perform under pressure. The winner get the trophy, the loser leaves the country.
How can you not want that!'"
If you were from St Helens youd probably just be happy to finish a game down the road with your mates and get back in time to mow the lawn and have dinner with the mrs.
That's why we're so s**t at international level, half our most talented players aren't winners.
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| Quote Tre Cool="Tre Cool"If you were from St Helens youd probably just be happy to finish a game down the road with your mates and get back in time to mow the lawn and have dinner with the mrs.
That's why we're so s**t at international level, half our most talented players aren't winners.'"
Not just St Helens, the whole of the UK 75% of our young people play no sport of any kind & probablly have a note of thier mam to prove it.
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