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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
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| Quote: vikingsmurf "well, no.
for the purposes of eligibility to apply, the NRC and Grand Final carry equal weight. you cant apply 'more' if you win the play offs rather than the cup.
and whilst on field success is one of the criteria lets be clear, widnes have reached as many finals in the same time period wether its grand final or cup is pretty much insignificant.
although you could argue if you really wanted to that fax stump widnes in the on field success stakes (which is open to debate) they certainly dont in any other regard.'"
As has already been explained , they don't , this thread is asking peoples opinion on what should happen , not what they think will happen , read my 1 st post on page one |
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[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
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| Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "Need to change it in SL first without worrying about the Championships. We are like SL nice bloke child, different quota system, different results point system. Look how good the championships are with them two factors and an achievable salary cap. Heres an idea maybe they should introduce some of that to SL.'"
I agree that the RFL should look at ensuring that the same systems and rules apply to both leagues whenever possible. However, the RFL say that the Championship clubs themselves want to keep the quota and point systems in place, so what can you do?
The £300k quota is the real problem for any ambitious Championship club. It may make the competition more competitive, but it brings down the entire fleets progress down to the slowest vessel. It also widens the gap between the Championship and Super League. Far from being as exciting as it should be, the quality has suffered imo, and the comp has been downgraded. This is a worse situation than the quota and points systems. Any growing of the gap, between SL and the Championship, makes so much more difficult for the stronger clubs to move up a division and makes it easier for the RFL to pull up the drawbridge on us in the future. |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Pepe ". Is this not something the RFL have wanted to change and a stated reason for introducing the licence system in the first place?'"
Is it working ?
How many International or even SL players will be produced by the Championship clubs ( through their full youth system ) ?
Is it working in SL ? |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Pepe "I agree that the RFL should look at ensuring that the same systems and rules apply to both leagues whenever possible. However, the RFL say that the Championship clubs themselves want to keep the quota and point systems in place, so what can you do?
The £300k quota is the real problem for any ambitious Championship club. It may make the competition more competitive, but it brings down the entire fleets progress down to the slowest vessel. It also widens the gap between the Championship and Super League. Far from being as exciting as it should be, the quality has suffered imo, and the comp has been downgraded. This is a worse situation than the quota and points systems. Any growing of the gap, between SL and the Championship, makes so much more difficult for the stronger clubs to move up a division and makes it easier for the RFL to pull up the drawbridge on us in the future.'"
Wether it is 100 K , 300 K or 600 K it is irrelevant , in fact if the rumours are correct , it will get even worse next season if the mess about with the Championships
Enjoy your last few months as a Championship club |
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[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "It isn't the Championships clubs responsibility to try to produce International quality players to the detriment of the competition , Widnes were given a clear message , " tick the box and you are in " they did this , and there is nothing wrong with that , all I have done on this thread is answer simple question honestly , you will get the SL place , quite correctly with the ' rules ' we currently have , as you know IMO those rules are wrong , but I don't make the rules'"
I don't like the licence system, but I don't recall any of that being a stated aim of the RFL when setting it up.
Steve O'Connor has made it clear that he has followed the instructions of the RFL to the letter. He still had to achieve the goals they set out for him to follow in order to get the promised Championship licence, and he has achieved them all – and more!
Whether that is enough will remain to be seen. I cannot see how it can’t be enough. That’s not arrogance but confidence in what we can offer Super League compared to several other clubs. |
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[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "Wether it is 100 K , 300 K or 600 K it is irrelevant , in fact if the rumours are correct , it will get even worse next season if the mess about with the Championships
Enjoy your last few months as a Championship club'"
I would disagree with that. I think what you can pay players will reflect in the quality of players you can attract. Not just from this country either. It would also help more ambitious clubs stay largely professional, like Salford did when they had their brief sojourn in the Championships last time. |
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| Quote: Starbug "Course they should , they lost at home today to the Hunslet Hawks ![]()
I am a great believer in P&R, always have been and always will be, but that is not the criteria that the decision is based. Using the criteria set by the RFL, I believe Widnes will bring the most to the SL, which includes ground and ability to attract good crowds.
We had some great battles with them in the 80's and I have always enjoyed the games against them, home and away, so based on that I reckon Widnes are the best choice.
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Pepe "I would disagree with that. I think what you can pay players will reflect in the quality of players you can attract. Not just from this country either. It would also help more ambitious clubs stay largely professional, like Salford did when they had their brief sojourn in the Championships last time.'"
It's irrelivant because nobody else is going up 
So unless you want totally ruin the Championships and help send more clubs to the wall , there isn't much point doing it is there |
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So Pepe.
Are we going to be having the pleasure of your clubs company in Superleague?
I think it's a nailed on cert Widnes will get the nod.
Part of me wants one of the other 2 to get it though just so I can laugh at all the Widnes fans abusing the fans of either Halifax or Barrow in the same way many of you did towards Celtic Crusaders when they got in last time.
Sorry, no offence.
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: rover49 "I am a great believer in P&R, always have been and always will be, but that is not the criteria that the decision is based. Using the criteria set by the RFL, I believe Widnes will bring the most to the SL, which includes ground and ability to attract good crowds.
We had some great battles with them in the 80's and I have always enjoyed the games against them, home and away, so based on that I reckon Widnes are the best choice.'"
Yes they are , but it doesn't mean I have agree with it though , does it , the was there for a reason r 49 |
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: PHIPPS "So Pepe.
Are we going to be having the pleasure of your clubs company in Superleague?
I think it's a nailed on cert Widnes will get the nod.
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Widnes qualified in 2009 when they won the NRC , hardly the oracle of all things RL |
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[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: Starbug "It's irrelivant because nobody else is going up ![]()
You may wish to consider the possibility of how much easier it will be for any new expansion clubs to compete with more established clubs, with bigger crowds and better stadiums. It may even see some of the stronger heartland clubs struggle to even to stay in the Championship.
It wasn’t so long ago that Leigh were demoted with Toulouse below you and Gateshead just above you….oh…wait a minute….
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On thread drift:
[quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99]
Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.”
[i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair
with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99]
[b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg |
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| Quote: PHIPPS "So Pepe.
Are we going to be having the pleasure of your clubs company in Superleague?
I think it's a nailed on cert Widnes will get the nod.
Part of me wants one of the other 2 to get it though just so I can laugh at all the Widnes fans abusing the fans of either Halifax or Barrow in the same way many of you did towards Celtic Crusaders when they got in last time.
Sorry, no offence.'"
Reports of our bitterness are much exaggerated.
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kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Pepe "You may wish to consider the possibility of how much easier it will be for any new expansion clubs to compete with more established clubs, with bigger crowds and better stadiums. It may even see some of the stronger heartland clubs struggle to even to stay in the Championship.
It wasn’t so long ago that Leigh were demoted with Toulouse below you and Gateshead just above you….oh…wait a minute….'"
Sorry you've lost me will a bigger SC make it easier , or a smaller SC make it easier
Leigh were not demoted , we were relegated for finishing in a relegation place , what happened after that is none of our doing , in fact you only have to see the current Championship 1 league table to see a possible reason why things did happen |
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