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| Someone's been on the eggnog lol
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII " Whatever it is you want to whine & ball about it the FACTS speak for themselves. There's no money in Fev or any other prospective team from that Urban district that is catergorically clear from the various sources (the main one is from Wakefield itself as it happens).
The populace of Wakefield 'city' isn't even in the top 50 of the UK and the wider regional district it is 19th within England, so your figure of 11th is boll@cks, this is from the 2011 census data.
Any fan from any sport can see that moronic la-la land 'our team/s are a MASSIVE asset' nonsense is just that, the stupidity of your post is a massive low even for VT...
As for Hull, don't know what that anything to do with the conversation, me, I don't live there, I live in the affluent Shires, we rarely do sweaty sports doncha know, just fox hunting on the sly and baiting narrow minded Northerners..lmfao
Seen as we are talking about Toulouse and RL, I'd say they're the 'small potatoes' where RL is concerned, compared to the Wakefield/Castleford area. If we're talking financially as a City, every team in SL apart from maybe Leeds are 'small Potatoes' in comparison to Toulouse. Or are we going with the theory that because it's a big City and has a small number of RL players, they're a better investment than any team in the Wakefield area? I'm sure we've been here before.
Lets be right, the size of a City is a bit of a red herring when it comes to RL, all you need to do is look at Wigan, Saints and Warrington, all similar sizes to Wakefield. Ateotd you just need to be in a catchment area that has an interest in Rugby League and said area has the potential to get 10k+ crowds. Then to be a top team you need a man with a bit of cash on the hip, to put the money in.
As for Toulouse they remind me of Leeds in a way, similar size and the fact they dominate their neighbours businesss & financially wise. Toulouse has got one of the best European RU teams in the City as well as a Football team in the French Ligue 1. Leeds is similar but it's RL that's the top dog and RU suffers because of the other 2 teams in the City and obviously the populations lack of appetite for the game. Like I said before, if they want in, get them in the Championship again, this time destiny is in their hands with a chance to get promoted. That will test whether there's an appetite for the game in that area. Maybe they'll turn out to be the new Catalans and not PSG.
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| Problem is will it? As has been seen clubs in championship might get 3000 but that might jump to 8000 on promotion, or it might not. It is hard to judge the potential whilst outside SL. Probably a better judgement would be business plan etc but now we have a fake p&r system no one is getting in for the forseeable future.
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| Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Leigh, Castleford, Wakefield, Featherstone and Widnes are all major population centres and economic powerhouses that can each dwarf Toulouse with their pools of potential junior recruits, sponsorship and fan base for the game.
People all over world, but especially in London and Paris, are telling their children
I knew it!!! You only want Toulouse in so you have double the chances to visit the picturesque north of England.
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| This is the problem with Rugby League. The flat cappers and fans of a small number of Championship clubs have be crying and moaning for the last 7 years about licencing.
"It's not fair"
"What happens on the field should only count"
It never occurred to these please that licencing was supposed to protect medium sized clubs from bankrupting themselves like Halifax, Workington and Oldham. But it turns out incompetent administration can overcome any system.
After years on listening to your nonsense the RFL say "f$£k it, let them kill themselves off", bring back P&R and let them settle it on the pitch. Let just put them in a feeder league and let them fight for spots in Super League.
Is everyone now happy....No
"Local League for local teams", "Only a select few should be included", "Let them play in their own league"
Hypocritical sods!!!
It's like UKIPs Schrodinger's immigrant, rlhttps://newsthump.com/2014/11/28/ukip-warns-of-schrodingers-immigrant-who-lazes-around-on-benefits-whilst-simultaneously-stealing-your-job/rl
Schrodinger's expansion team!!!! Stop them from buying or playing there way into the League.
Just admit it, you know Toulouse can be a bigger team that than most of the Super League Teams no matter the Championship teams and you don't like that.
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| Quote: Noel Cleal "This is the problem with Rugby League. The flat cappers and fans of a small number of Championship clubs have be crying and moaning for the last 7 years about licencing.
"It's not fair"
"What happens on the field should only count"
It never occurred to these please that licencing was supposed to protect medium sized clubs from bankrupting themselves like Halifax, Workington and Oldham. But it turns out incompetent administration can overcome any system.
After years on listening to your nonsense the RFL say "f$£k it, let them kill themselves off", bring back P&R and let them settle it on the pitch. Let just put them in a feeder league and let them fight for spots in Super League.
Is everyone now happy....No
"Local League for local teams", "Only a select few should be included", "Let them play in their own league"
Hypocritical sods!!!
It's like UKIPs Schrodinger's immigrant, rlhttps://newsthump.com/2014/11/28/ukip-warns-of-schrodingers-immigrant-who-lazes-around-on-benefits-whilst-simultaneously-stealing-your-job/rl
Schrodinger's expansion team!!!! Stop them from buying or playing there way into the League.
Just admit it, you know Toulouse can be a bigger team that than most of the Super League Teams no matter the Championship teams and you don't like that.'"
Spot on.
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| Quote: Noel Cleal "
Just admit it, you know Toulouse can be a bigger team that than most of the Super League Teams no matter the Championship teams and you don't like that.'"
Hang on.
There are three tiers of professional rugby league in this country.
If Toulouse want to apply to play in League 1 in 2016 I'm pretty certain they would be accepted. They just need to accept that their central funding would be lower than that of UK based clubs in League 1 so there is extra funding to those UK based clubs in League 1 to cover their travel costs to Toulouse away games.
If that happened and Toulouse were good enough, they'd be in Super League on merit by 2018 anyway.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Hang on.
There are three tiers of professional rugby league in this country.
If Toulouse want to apply to play in League 1 in 2016 I'm pretty certain they would be accepted. They just need to accept that their central funding would be lower than that of UK based clubs in League 1 so there is extra funding to those UK based clubs in League 1 to cover their travel costs to Toulouse away games.
If that happened and Toulouse were good enough, they'd be in Super League on merit by 2018 anyway.'"
and they abide by that salary cap that makes it impossible to put together a French squad able to travel to England every two weeks.
So they should put together a squad of part time French players earning less than elite one players, prepared to travel every two weeks and losing their pay from their full time job under a salary cap that makes it impossible to do, and they should do it on less central funding than anyone else, and if it does work it would be a pointless hoop they jumped through. But we need to be fair and everything should be done on merit (as long as we implement rules to keep small northern clubs competitive, and call that merit)
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| Funny thing is all those screaming to p&r in the hope there club would one day see SL. Reality is SL has now become a totally closed shop. Salary cap disparity will mean there is cat in hells chance of winning the playoffs, I cringe at what some of those score lines are going to be!, and with the intro of a fake promotion and relegation the SL no longer need to consider license applications from potential future SL clubs. Job done nicely by the lucky 12!
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Funny thing is all those screaming to p&r in the hope there club would one day see SL. Reality is SL has now become a totally closed shop. Salary cap disparity will mean there is cat in hells chance of winning the playoffs, I cringe at what some of those score lines are going to be!, and with the intro of a fake promotion and relegation the SL no longer need to consider license applications from potential future SL clubs. Job done nicely by the lucky 12!'"
Disagree with this.
Although your sentiment is correct, Bradford, along with Leigh will be very competitive with the bottom 2/3 clubs in SL, when it comes to the split.
IF there is a "lame duck" in SL (as London were last season), they would be massively weaker than the top 2 clubs in the Championship.
The problem will be at the end of the following season, when the promoted club becomes the "lame duck" going into the "qualification league".
A perpetual relegation fight, far from increasing interest in the game, will irrevocably damage clubs in the lower reaches of SL and IMO, will lead to a further change,
probably a 10 club closed shop SL.
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Funny thing is all those screaming to p&r in the hope there club would one day see SL. Reality is SL has now become a totally closed shop. Salary cap disparity will mean there is cat in hells chance of winning the playoffs, I cringe at what some of those score lines are going to be!, and with the intro of a fake promotion and relegation the SL no longer need to consider license applications from potential future SL clubs. Job done nicely by the lucky 12!'"
Rather than trying to change history why dont you try and think about it before you push submit.
For the last 3 season 'on this very forum' Wigan fans imparticular,' but STs fan,wire fans & the more educated Leeds fans have been asking whats the point of the early rounds when theres nothing to play for.
The fans of bottom end SL clubs were fed up of just doing through the motions apart from the odd game.
Of course fans and owners of KPC clubs wer moaning,why shouldnt they be when they looked at the state SL was in
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| Quote: j.c "Rather than trying to change history why dont you try and think about it before you push submit.
For the last 3 season 'on this very forum' Wigan fans imparticular,' but STs fan,wire fans & the more educated Leeds fans have been asking whats the point of the early rounds when theres nothing to play for.
The fans of bottom end SL clubs were fed up of just doing through the motions apart from the odd game.
Of course fans and owners of KPC clubs wer moaning,why shouldnt they be when they looked at the state SL was in'"
The way we decide our champions is entirely separate from a return to P+R. Wigan fans moaning about the structure of the play offs has nothing to do with P+R at all.
Fans of the bottom end club now have 23 rounds of going through the motions, playing to either be in a competition where the points they earn count for nothing, or to be in a competition they will mathematically have next to no chance of winning.
The state SL was in was one were attendance records were set in 2012. But we ignore that because its convenient. ,
But hey, at least now the KPC clubs get to play for a prize of 23 rounds in SL which will be meaningless by the end of the season. Not forgetting the bonus of the nonsense 'million pound game' and the fact we have undermined the big success we had made of the GF. Leigh v Hunslet should be a close game next year too
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "The way we decide our champions is entirely separate from a return to P+R. Wigan fans moaning about the structure of the play offs has nothing to do with P+R at all.
Fans of the bottom end club now have 23 rounds of going through the motions, playing to either be in a competition where the points they earn count for nothing, or to be in a competition they will mathematically have next to no chance of winning.
The state SL was in was one were attendance records were set in 2012. But we ignore that because its convenient. ,
But hey, at least now the KPC clubs get to play for a prize of 23 rounds in SL which will be meaningless by the end of the season. Not forgetting the bonus of the nonsense 'million pound game' and the fact we have undermined the big success we had made of the GF. Leigh v Hunslet should be a close game next year too'"
I'm feeling quite emotional reading this, it must be the time of year !
Maybe, for the first time, I agree with just about everything you've put here.
The whole point is that, if we want a Grand Final, the weekly rounds will NEVER be as important as they deserve to be, notwithstanding the fact that the season now finishes with the GF and we don't have a few of the later rounds where the champions have already been decided.
Back on topic, its very difficult to see how Toulouse (or any other expansion club) can fit into the new structure, the downside is massive and the upside is unattainable .
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| I for one am dreading the new structure and how anyone at the RFL thought it would be a good idea.
The every moment matters tag line is a total fallacy. We will have plenty of "meaningless" games. And all the new structure is doing is degrading the SL brand by including a farcical middle 8 which pits 4 FT super league clubs against 4 PT championship club and in doing so destroying that competition.
Games in the top 8 will be pointless if your club don't have the points to get close to the top 4.
It all just beggars belief.
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Hang on.
There are three tiers of professional rugby league in this country.
If Toulouse want to apply to play in League 1 in 2016 I'm pretty certain they would be accepted. They just need to accept that their central funding would be lower than that of UK based clubs in League 1 so there is extra funding to those UK based clubs in League 1 to cover their travel costs to Toulouse away games.
If that happened and Toulouse were good enough, they'd be in Super League on merit by 2018 anyway.'"
I agree in principle but I doubt the teams in Championship 1 could afford the trip and their players my struggle to get time off work etc.
So therefore the Championship is probably a better option.
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