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Quote: Red John "Is he entitled to compensation, though? It can't be a redundancy because the role of Head Coach still exists. I don't [ithink[/i it can be construed as constructive dismissal because he's been offered another role, one which could be seen as some form of promotion.

I wonder if he's biding his time to see if another coaching opportunity presents itself. At an unnamed, struggling Super League club with an inexperienced coach somewhere in West Yorkshire, for example.'"

Obviously we're all guessing to some degree and I'm no expert on employment law but I would imagine that Noble would be entitled to some compensation but I suppose it would depend on the terms of his "old" contract and the terms of the contract of the new role he's been offered.

I was meaning really that IF he wants some compensation (ie doesn't want the Director of Rugby role) he can't just walk away. He has to at least go through the motions in talking to Salford/trying to resolve the situation etc first.

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Quote: bren2k "Or they've re-balanced the system so that it's no longer egregiously weighted towards the employee? The 2 year rule and the requirement to lodge a fee for an ET are very positive moves in my view. I think these are Vince Cable initiatives by the way, so not strictly Tory.

In this instance, I imagine that they're thrashing out the terms of a compromise agreement; the delays will be because Noble has the right to take legal advice, at Salford's expense, before he agrees to a mutual parting of ways.'"

It wasn't egregiously weighted towards the employee. Just because some employees abused the system didn't mean it was unfair on employers per se. And it certainly didn't need changing to the degree it has been where employees can now be laid off with no redundancy money just because they've not been working there long enough.

The further erosion of employees rights is not a step forward in a society that is being run more and more by businesses & markets and for profit.

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Quote: Him "It wasn't egregiously weighted towards the employee. Just because some employees abused the system didn't mean it was unfair on employers per se. And it certainly didn't need changing to the degree it has been where employees can now be laid off with no redundancy money just because they've not been working there long enough.

The further erosion of employees rights is not a step forward in a society that is being run more and more by businesses & markets and for profit.'"


I think it was - and the fact that it was meant that it was easily abused.

As for the laying off without redundancy money - which change to employment law has enabled that to happen? I'm not aware of a change that allows an employer to make someone redundant but not pay them anything; if you mean the two year rule that now applies to most dismissals (apart from discrimination or whistleblowing iirc?) then that person wasn't entitled to any money in the first place, besides their final salary payment.

Back to Noble; if he does choose to leave rather than take up the new job, I don't expect this is to do with how much compensation he is entitled to as per the terms of his contract; it's probably to do with how much it will cost the Dr for him to walk away in full and final settlement. In these circumstances, most people have a price - but it's not always straightforward to arrive at it, as both sides will have professional advice to consider.

If he gets bored in the meantime, he could always come to BV to teach the Wakefield players how to tackle.

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Surely Noble's contract will contain the various aspects of his employment with Salford and IF the contract is breached by either party then a claim could be made by the other party.
Contracts are written up to protect both sides.

Unless it is written within his contract, that he could be offered a "similar" role within the organisation, hen it is likely that Salford have breached the conditions, but only Dr K and Noble will know this.
Equally, Dr K may well gamble on Mr Noble not wanting to risk serious money to take Dr K to court.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Iestyn Harris is the epitome of gash at coaching. His record is abysmal. Some people are just meant to be assistants.

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Harris @ Crusaders was stymied. The players were not being paid. You may well be aware of how mercenary RL players behave when no money is seen. Even Tim Sheens and his assistant Mal Meninga would not have been able to coax a win. Cant blame Harris for that.

When with Wales he based his side on Amateurs and not Australians whose Great Grandfather may have been incarcerated in Cardiff Prison before being transported to the Colonies. Cant blame Harris for that.

He has now completed his Wigan tenure and from all accounts contributed hugely to their efforts.

I rest my case for the defence m`lud and will reconsider in 18 months time.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Early Bath "
I rest my case for the defence m`lud and will reconsider in 18 months time.'"

18 weeks if he's lucky........

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Quote: gutterfax "18 weeks if he's lucky........'"



Are you happy to wager £25 - proceeds to Children in Need ?

I say Harris will be in charge of the Red Devils at the start of their last SL game this season.

Are you happy to oppose and put your money where your mouth is?

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Early Bath "Are you happy to wager £25 - proceeds to Children in Need ?

I say Harris will be in charge of the Red Devils at the start of their last SL game this season.

Are you happy to oppose and put your money where your mouth is?'"

Nope......because when the good dr starts looking around again in 10 weeks or so, nobody will want the job. I like Mar but he needs to be patient!

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Well done EB. Another troll outed!!!

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Hessle Roader "Well done EB. Another troll outed!!!'"

How so?

It was an insane bet based in an opinion of Mar that is held by many RL fans. He's knee jerked nobby and it's perfectly acceptable to believe that if in another 8 games they are still struggling he'll look again......and if he does, he'll have a hard time convincing anyone that he's not trigger happy

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Quote: Early Bath "Are you happy to wager £25 - proceeds to Children in Need ?

I say Harris will be in charge of the Red Devils at the start of their last SL game this season.

Are you happy to oppose and put your money where your mouth is?'"


I will. To the RFL Benevolent Fund. You're on.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "I will. To the RFL Benevolent Fund. You're on.'"


Happy to accept Slugger.

Always knew Gutterfax had absolutely no substance. All bluster. Probably never put a penny into RL. Maybe others will now see that `Empty vessels make most sounds`.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Early Bath "Happy to accept Slugger.

Always knew Gutterfax had absolutely no substance. All bluster. Probably never put a penny into RL. Maybe others will now see that `Empty vessels make most sounds`.'"

Alas........making inane and insane bets is no proof of support for the game. I have on the other hand cycled to Leeds fro London and raised funds for an injured player.......does that count?
You so called troll hunters are a good giggle though....keep up the good work chaps

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Quote: gutterfax "How so?

It was an insane bet based in an opinion of Mar that is held by many RL fans. He's knee jerked nobby and it's perfectly acceptable to believe that if in another 8 games they are still struggling he'll look again......and if he does, he'll have a hard time convincing anyone that he's not trigger happy'"



EB's bet was that Harris would still be in charge at the end of the year and said he wouldn't be. Once again you proved to everyone that you don't have the balls to back up your stupid statements.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "EB's bet was that Harris would still be in charge at the end of the year and said he wouldn't be. Once again you proved to everyone that you don't have the balls to back up your stupid statements.'"


Agree Hessle Roader - an Attention Seeker - Nap!

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